This is mere nonsense. Yes, these two movements of horn concertos in D were written later than the other three concertos. Wikipedia is not "the 100% truth". All hornconcertos , complete or fragments, were written between 1781 (Rondo in E-flat) and 1786 (K.495). The E-flat Rondo came first (1781, dated by Mozart 21 Marzo 1781). It was for Leutgeb not as Bill Tyler repeats again after the millions of wrong spellers : Leitgeb. His name was LEUTGEB, whichj was pronounced as "Leitgeb" in our local dialect, because of Mozarts own wrong spelling in his own hand written catalogue (concert for "Leitgeb") or in his K.447 concerto (last movement, two entries as "Leitgeb"). But his name was "L E U T G E B" and not "Ignatz" or "Ignaz", but "J O S E P H". Ignatz was a nickname, a very popular nickname then.
The first Allegro in D-major has been composed & full instrumentated in 1782. How about this assumption, Mozart had made some compromises due to "Leitgebs fading abilities on the horn" ? Yes, the required hand horn technique, special in the 2nd theme, is a bit less ideal than in K.447, K.417 & K.495. It is similar to the technique required in the Rondo K.371. Why do these scholars assume, that Joseph Leutgebs abilities had faded then ? Is not K.495 more demanding than the earlier pieces ? And what is the difference at all ? Written "a" above the staff or written "c" above the staff, does it matter much on the natural horn ? No, it does not. And Leutgeb was a high grade professional player. These scholars base their assumptions on mere amateur experiences with the horn, where most think higher notes requiring more power, which is wrong absolutely. It may count for the music by Wagner, R.Strauss or Mahler but never for Mozart, where everything is played light & without pressure. The same scholars once assumed that the duets could never been intended as horn duets due to the stratospheric writings for the first horn. So they attributed them to "English Horns". They merely could not believe, that hand horn players or horn players in general could play as high up to the written g, one octave higher than the g sitting on the first line. But they could do it well & they can do it well now again. They had overseen that at the one left lower cormer of the autograph, Mozart had written the series of natural notes possible on the horn ........ Do you know a better evidence ? And the dating of the D-major fragments is not from the 2nd Allegro written much later than the first Allegro. And the 2nd Allegro is very easy anyway. So, Leutgeb was still on his peak time when the first Allegro was written. He was just 50 then. And he survived Mozart for more than 19 years. The order of the concerts 3, 2, 4 , as numbered by Andre op.86, op.105, op.106. The D-major fragments are being put together much later even the first movement been written ? 1782 & the second allegro been written much later. And it is not said at all, that the first D-major fragment was for Leutgeb, as there were many excellent players in Vienna that time. The 2nd Allegro in D-major was intended for Leutgeb, off course, as Mozart used it to make some fun with Leutgeb. Here the ailing factor may have played a role, but not for the first Allegro. ============================================================ =============================================== -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Hollin Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:51 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Mozart 1st is the 4th? Anyone care to comment on this? I always found the 1st Concerto to be demanding in many ways, and it seems to me the hand-stopping technique required is greater in the 1st mvt. of K.412 than in some of the others...... <from Wikipedia> Recent scholarship dates the horn concerti in the order 2, 3, 4, 1, with no. 1 (K. 412) being the last composed. This piece is less demanding than the others, and this is believed to reflect the decline of Leitgeb's prowess either with age or with his music being increasingly relegated to a sideline. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
