I think Doug is right on with his last statement.  As one who has
experimented too many times with equipment, partially out of
intellectual curiosity and partially out of stupidity, I have at least
settled on one certain type of rim (very thin with a wide inner
diameter) but have found that the cup, shank, and horn must match in
some way.  I remember struggling with an Alex and then calling my more
experienced uncle for help.  He immediately suggested that I try an Alex
mouthpiece, and when I did, it was as if I was playing an entirely
different horn...everything worked.  Now that my horn collecting has
narrowed, I can pretty much use the exact same mouthpiece on everything
and it all seems to work well.  I am embarrassed to say how much time,
effort, and money was spent to get to where I am now.  Nevertheless, my
mistakes (usually made against the advice of some great teachers) have
allowed me to help younger players (and to feel some degree of
credibility on this topic).

Orlando

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I grew up in the NYC Metro playing a large-bell silver horn starting on
a
C-12 and moving to a C-1 later on and emulating the Chambers/Bloom
aesthetic with some success:)  At CCM years later, working on a DMA for
which I had to prepare 4 recitals, it occurred to me that I needed
different equipment for solo/chamber and bought an Alex Single-B that
Kendall Betts had on consignment with Walter Lawson.  It became
immediately obvious that the Alex needed a different mouthiece.  I used
a
Schilke 30B for about 10 years until the narrowness of the diameter
began
to feel restrictive.  I am told that as we get older, we need to go to
larger diameters and this has held true for me.  I think that Schilke
30B
had a 16.9mm inner diameter.  I first moved to an Orval from Stork with
a
slightly narrow 17.5, then tried some other 17.5 Tilz models (Angerer,
McWilliam), 17.5 Paxman (4B, 4C with both standard and narrow rims) 17.5
Klier (various cups in the M and K series) and finally the
Halstead-Chidell line.  I've given a lot of these mouthpieces extensive
trials of at least a few months to several years (wary of the
"honeymoon"
and backlash effects of changing equipment.)  I'm currently using the
Halstead Chidell AN (a large 17.5) rim and switching between the
20,21A,22A and 23A cups depending on which of my horns I'm using
(ranging
from an Alex 107s compensating descant to a 303G full triple) and
whether
I'm playing solo/recital or large orchestra.  I think it makes sense to
use a mouthpiece system that has a variety of rims that interchange with
a
variety of cups.

Empirically, it has seemed to me that the rim has to fit the player and
the cup has to fit the horn.

Doug Lundeen
Brass Roots Trio
Assoc. Prof. of Horn
Rugers University
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