Nick et al,
Being a newbie, but having been able to get along to the recent MSF and
BRCS London mapathons to get some guidance as to what I'm doing, I'd
certainly appreciate feedback on the mapping I've done. I'm keen to
know what I may have been doing wrong (inaccuracies; misinterpretation
of what I'm seeing on the images; too much or too little detail, i.e.
knowing when it's time to hit complete). How that feedbcak is
delivered, I'm pretty easy, but just having the comments by the
validator alerted to me in some way appears straightforward and I can
just go back to the square to check. It validators can paste errors /
issues maybe to a scratchpad, then it'd be somewhere where we could go
to learn from others.
Robert (RobertRS).
On 31 August 2014 11:49, <hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org
<mailto:hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 00:52:15 +0100
From: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>>
To: Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr <mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>>,
Charlotte Wolter
<techl...@techlady.com <mailto:techl...@techlady.com>>,
"hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>"
<hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>>
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Pierre,
A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in
order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing
something wrong, or don't know how to do something.
The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to
check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to
improve. The validation process is good for this as well as quality
control - but it would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper
to receive the comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them.
I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the
validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they
opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer help,
and I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are
asking for this feedback.
It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so
we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further.
Regards
Nick (Tallguy)
--
Nick
Volunteer 'Tallguy' for
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:07:42 +0200
From: Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com
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To: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>"
<hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers
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Hi all,
Thinking aloud, would not be possible (actually asking tech people)
to have
a tool allwing the following:
- detecting changesets with hotosm hashtags and picking up the username
- comparing the username to a list of HOTOSM contributors and
stating if it
is new or not and already validated for a certain numbers of quality
items
(like drawing buildings correctly, drawing roads correctly, tagging
roads
correctly, etc.)
- when contributors have not been validated yet, a task is sent to a
validation team
- one team member picks up the task, check, validate the work of the
contributor and contact her/him if some mistakes. A form would be great,
with checkboxes for typical errors, and if making a typical one, the
contributor would receive in the answer link to the Learning point
(there
are already quite a few in LearnOSM) dedicated to this error
- once done the hotosm contributor quality status for this contributor
would be: good for such and such aspects, bad for such and such ones and
the latter would then be tasked in the future for validators as soon as
this contributor would submit a new changeset
Thoughts?
Sincerely,
Severin
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in
> order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing
something
> wrong, or don't know how to do something.
>
> The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to
> check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to
improve.
> The validation process is good for this as well as quality
control - but it
> would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the
> comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them.
>
> I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system
where the
> validators comments are more easily available to the mapper,
unless they
> opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer
help, and
> I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are
asking for
> this feedback.
>
> It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are
new, so
> we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick (Tallguy)
> --
>
> Nick
>
> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
>
> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for
> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/
(treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk
<mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>)
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:57:40 +0200
From: Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com
<mailto:sander...@gmail.com>>
To: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>"
<hot@openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating & TM2 - a send message button?
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IMO, IRC can be used for quick requests and quick help. It's a lot
easier
to offer help over a chat channel than over some messaging system that
requires a page refresh in order to get the messages.
Just including a link to here
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot
with some explanation could be enough (users only have to chose a
nickname
and click "Start"). A more integrated solution would be to embed the
chat
client in the tasking manager (see https://kiwiirc.com/embedding).
If the channel becomes too crowded, it can always be split into multiple
channels (f.e. per task).
For longer-term help. I think the querying system I proposed earlier
would
be good enough. With some default queries (i.e. show all tiles you
closed),
it would be able to show a lot of conversations at once.
Regards,
Sander
2014-08-31 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>>:
> Pierre,
>
> A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in
> order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing
something
> wrong, or don't know how to do something.
>
> The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to
> check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to
improve.
> The validation process is good for this as well as quality
control - but it
> would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the
> comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them.
>
> I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system
where the
> validators comments are more easily available to the mapper,
unless they
> opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer
help, and
> I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are
asking for
> this feedback.
>
> It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are
new, so
> we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick (Tallguy)
> --
>
> Nick
>
> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
>
> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for
> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/
(treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk
<mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>)
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:49:13 +0200
From: Ralf Stephan <gtrw...@gmail.com <mailto:gtrw...@gmail.com>>
To: Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com <mailto:sander...@gmail.com>>
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I don't understand this. Why require people to ask and use another link?
Give direct feedback on a tile, that's what's needed. Irc is a time
waster.
On 31 Aug 2014 11:00, "Sander Deryckere" <sander...@gmail.com
<mailto:sander...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> IMO, IRC can be used for quick requests and quick help. It's a
lot easier
> to offer help over a chat channel than over some messaging system
that
> requires a page refresh in order to get the messages.
>
> Just including a link to here
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot
> with some explanation could be enough (users only have to chose a
nickname
> and click "Start"). A more integrated solution would be to embed
the chat
> client in the tasking manager (see https://kiwiirc.com/embedding).
>
> If the channel becomes too crowded, it can always be split into
multiple
> channels (f.e. per task).
>
> For longer-term help. I think the querying system I proposed
earlier would
> be good enough. With some default queries (i.e. show all tiles
you closed),
> it would be able to show a lot of conversations at once.
>
> Regards,
> Sander
>
>
> 2014-08-31 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com
<mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com>>:
>
>> Pierre,
>>
>> A help channel or some form social help channel would be good,
but in
>> order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are
doing something
>> wrong, or don't know how to do something.
>>
>> The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for
someone to
>> check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do
to improve.
>> The validation process is good for this as well as quality
control - but it
>> would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the
>> comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them.
>>
>> I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system
where the
>> validators comments are more easily available to the mapper,
unless they
>> opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to
offer help, and
>> I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are
asking for
>> this feedback.
>>
>> It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are
new, so
>> we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nick (Tallguy)
>> --
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
>>
>> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for
>> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/
(treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk
<mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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