On 1/17/2015 3:36 PM, S Volk wrote:
On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area).
This is great Sérgio, that is really going to help. I started looking at it as well. Big road network mapping is probably best done just as we are doing it outside of a Tasking Manager project. It will make any future Tasking Manager projects go much better if those roads are well mapped.
It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations).
The good news is that according to Amnesty International, dedicated humanitarian groups can already use those images. The only issue is that our mapping is somewhat complicated because we are creating another resource that has users besides humanitarian orgs, namely the OSM database.
And here is another set of images from Human Rights Watch using land coverage comparison from the Spot satellites to show terrible fire devastation as well in some of the villages, 90% destroyed in some areas:
http://multimedia.hrw.org/distribute/cxiueadfsb
In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by "manual" comparision?
I understand exactly what you are saying. Can we just look at the imagery for example directly on the Amnesty International site and then look at our screen with Bing/Mapbox imagery and draw the areas by looking at landmarks like buildings and trees to mark the devastated areas. I feel the same way you do, that seems like it should be totally fine.
Unfortunately, the answer is we are not supposed to do that either unless we have an explicit license to use the imagery for HOT mapping. It is interpreted as just the same as loading it up as a layer in JOSM and tracing, but instead of loading it up in JOSM we are "loading it up" in our heads and then tracing it and creating a "derivative" work from those AI images that we do not have explicit permission to do that with.
We will get that updated January 2015 imagery eventually, but it will just take a bit longer. We want to make sure we follow exactly what a license allows us to do or prevents us from doing.
In the mean time, that imagery is already licensed and being used by the pure NGOs like AI, Human Rights Watch and probably others, so that is great news and typical of the great work DigitalGlobe does around the world, it will filter down to us eventually through the established channels.
Sorry if bad english.
You speak great english, sorry I don't speak anything else. Cheers, Blake _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
