Thanks Blake, I see this as an opportinity for do a laboratory for this metodology as a learning/knowledge creation to further apply, as a paralell commision that later can serve as a feed to activation protocol indeed.
Lets start thinking that way to found how sinergy can arise. Best! Humberto Yances 2016-03-02 8:17 GMT-05:00 Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com>: > > Hi all, > > I think the underlying methodology in the project proposed is really good > and I expect HOT and other humanitarian organizations will be working on > helping evaluate it and working into their workflow eventually. > > But it needs to be looked at to understand how in the context of how HOT > works and our resources at the moment it can be incorporated into our > workflow and the products we put out. > > But it has a number of issues that we need to be able to examine and > figure out how well we can adhere to the methodology and what we would need > to support and do it well. > > In addition, there are some OSM related things like damage tagging in > general that need to be worked out with the wider OSM community to make > sure we working in the larger OSM community as well as we possibly can. > > That is why I got kind of excited about it, but referred it to the > Activation Working Group to really review and figure out the best way for > us to do projects like that in times of crisis. > > But, that takes a bit of time that is needed. Jumping into something like > this without fully examining what we can do and what our limitations are > and what we would need to produce high quality data, is counter productive > and just runs the risk of us putting out poor data and making the protocol > itself look less effective or our ability to implement it look less > effective. > > You need to work on something like this carefully as it produces data that > will be evaluated so we should put our best foot forward when attempting > it. Typically this is done by small tests among those advocating for it and > then asking professionals outside of hot to do evaluation of how well we > did, identify places to improve, or provide us with definitive numbers > about the level of confidence we have in the data. > > That is exactly what we did in Vanuatu in partnership with the one of the > reviewers on the methodology linked to in the archived project. A small > number of us followed a protocol proposed by Dr. Meier and then turned the > results over to his organization that asked us to participate for their > evaluation and informing their future work (which I think it did). Which is > exactly what I proposed with this new methodology. > > And that is still what I would like to do with this new methodology as > well. But just throwing it out there without any collaboration with the > Activation Working Group is not the best way to move it forward. > > Cheers, > Blake > > > > On 3/2/2016 1:34 PM, Dale Kunce wrote: > >> I wasn't part of the discussions to make this a tasks but agree it >> should not be a task. >> >> During activations we have as much responsibility for the things we >> choose *not* to map as those that are mapped. Previous work in the >> aftermath of typhoon Haiyan showed that damage assessment from nadir >> satellite imagery is very difficult for remote mappers and yeilds bad >> data for the most part. In Haiyan there was only a 30% success rate. HOT >> is much better and successful at mapping other things that are more >> valuable for the relief effort than building damage assessment. >> >> http://americanredcross.github.io/OSM-Assessment/ >> >> Another thing complicating this task and activation is that no group, >> NGO, or government is asking for this data. Field teams in Fiji are not >> asking for OSM data at this time. There is a long understanding that HOT >> does not and should not map unless there is a requesting group. >> >> The tasking manager as a software development project is open for anyone >> to use and contribute. However, the HOT Tasking Manager is a tool for >> HOT thus we have roles and privileges on the server. In this instance a >> decision was made by senior activatiors that we should not at this time >> pursue this tasks. >> >> On Mar 2, 2016 6:47 AM, "Rod Bera" <r...@goarem.org >> <mailto:r...@goarem.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi Mikel, >> >> (not discussing here the pertinence of task #1575). >> >> I already gave my views on the OSMF list prior to your election to the >> board but this episode is an illustration of what we should not see >> in OSM. >> >> I wish to emphasise that OSM has nothing to do with HOT's Activation >> Working Group and not OSM tool should be controlled by it. >> >> therefore what you call OSMTM (OPENSTREETMAP Tasking manager) is not >> OPEN. >> Therefore NOT OPENSTREETMAP. >> >> Please stop claiming so. >> >> ... unless the Tasking Manager (re)becomes truly open. the TM was >> thought as a common for OSM, and having it the thing of a smaller >> group >> (which decides who can propose a task and postpone/archive/veto >> tasks) >> is a real problem. >> >> Otherwise, facing censorship on the TM there are chances that some >> dedicated mappers favour the emergence of an alternative TM (or worse, >> alternative TMs), which would raise other issues (possible concurrent >> tasks on the same regions, etc) unless we develop indexing mechanisms >> (like cross-harvesting INSPIRE catalogues). >> >> This issue should be discussed within OSMF to find the best way to >> transfer the governance of a self claimed OSM tool (which right now it >> is not) back to the OSM community. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Rod >> >> >> >> On 02/03/16 02:07, Mikel Maron wrote: >> > Hello >> > >> > This project hasn't been raised or discussed within the AWG, and >> raises >> > a number of issues that require careful consideration. For the time >> > being in Fiji, we're focusing on updating the base map only, and >> this >> > particular OSMTM project has been archived. >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Mikel >> > >> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 <tel:%2B14152835207> @mikel >> s:mikelmaron >> > >> > >> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:28 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton >> > <jguil...@gmail.com <mailto:jguil...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear All, >> > >> > Stronger cyclones are likely to become more frequent with >> climate >> > change. Categorie 5 cyclone Winston severely hit Fiji on Feb >> 20th. A >> > state of natural disaster was declared for 30 days. Ten days >> later, the >> > death toll is 43, at least, and more than 50,000 persons who >> have lost >> > their homes are still living in evacuation centers. >> > >> > Improving recovery capabilities is part of Disaster Risk >> Reduction >> > (DRR). Assessing the damage and obtaining accurate and >> actionable >> > information as quickly as possible is critical. Ziad Al >> Achkar, Isaac L. >> > Baker and Nathaniel A. Raymond, of the Signal Program on >> Human Security >> > and Technology at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative (HHI) >> published >> > these last days a study that describes a new methodology to >> standardize >> > remote assessments of wind disaster damage, from satellite, >> aerial or >> > drone imagery, named the “BAR methodology”, with a foreword >> by Ray >> > Shirkodai, Executive Director of the Pacific Disaster Center, >> “Assessing >> > Wind Disaster Damage To Structures” >> > >> < >> http://hhi.harvard.edu/publications/satellite-imagery-interpretation-guide-assessing-wind-disaster-damage-structures >> > >> > >> > This methodology takes into account structure categories >> visible in the >> > imagery, sorted in “A) Light strength structures (the most >> vulnerable); >> > B) Medium strength structures (moderately vulnerable); and C) >> Heavy >> > strength structures (usually the least vulnerable).” >> > >> > Each structure is also assigned a damage scale, which is as >> follows: “0 >> > = no visible damage to the structure; 1 = visible partial >> roof damage; 2 >> > = the roof has suffered significant damage or is completely >> off, but the >> > walls remain standing; and 3 = the walls and the roofs are >> down and the >> > structure integrity is completely compromised.” >> > >> > The goal of this project is to adapt the BAR methodology to the >> > OpenStreetMap framework, using also information available >> online from >> > social media, such as geo-localizable photos, and apply it to >> the town >> > of Ba, in Western Fiji, to produce detailed open geodata that >> will >> > hopefully be useful to the Fijian Government to manage the >> aftermath of >> > this disaster, and also to experiment and refine this >> methodology as >> > needed for future disasters. >> > >> > If you are already an experienced OSM mapper, and interested >> in learning >> > how to contribute to this, please have a look at this project: >> > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1575 >> > >> > Read the instructions carefully, and especially the BAR study >> linked >> > above. >> > >> > The adaptation of this method builds on previous attempts in >> the HOT >> > community, in particular regarding the tags used. As it is >> new, please >> > know that you are really welcome to ask any question you may >> have, on >> > all the channels available, especially in case of >> uncertainties you may >> > face, if you feel that you are qualified for this project and >> want to >> > give it a try. >> > >> > The same method could also be used for other areas, including >> where >> > aerial photos are available, and more generally where >> geo-localizable >> > photos from social media are available. >> > >> > Thank you very much. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Jean-Guilhem >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> >> <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org>> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> >> -- >> Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique / Lecturer, Geomatics >> et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS >> Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France >> +33 (0) 223 48 5553 <tel:%2B33%20%280%29%20223%2048%205553> - >> roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr >> <mailto:roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >
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