Yes its a training issue but has anyone thought of how big a training issue it is? There are existing videos, screenshots, people's personal notes many trainers have their own customized notes and training manuals. There are translation costs, even if its only people time. Then you get into the relearning issues that some people consider a major turn off. "I've invested my time learning this stuff and suddenly its all been wasted." How are you going to handle videos on you tube by people who have gone off and done something else? In some parts of the world they still use paper for training manuals and may not have a printer or the money to reprint. Getting the right information into the right hands at the right time is a logistics problem.
Then you get into isolating all the iD users from the rest of OSM, HOT users do get messages from OSM users when they need nudging and those users do not know the iD terms for this, that and the other. Some messages can be quite abrupt by the way. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features are you going to change or duplicate all these terms? Most sane people think in terms of moving mappers to JOSM eventually. Using different terms makes this more difficult. Then we get into the acdemics who once a year bring out their notes for a new class and as a method of introducing them to GIS systems do some HOT mapping. Their notes will be incorrect. We need the good will of these academics. When HOT was six people sat round a coffee table talking, this sort of thing is minor. The more people involved the more complex it gets and HOT these days is very large. The change is certainly not minor and has a very big impact. When you get to a certain size you need a formal review process before making changes and I think HOT is now at that size. Cheerio John On 5 March 2016 at 05:49, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you'd need to relearn iD, invest some time in learning JOSM, you'll be > glad you did. It's true that it is somewhat more userfriendly to not use > British road classifications, but now it becomes harder to make the switch > to JOSM, that contributors who become more involved with OSM will > invariably (have to) make at some point. > > My take on this is that we should teach JOSM right from the start during > Mapathons. > > But that is also due to me not being familiar with iD, so I couldn't teach > it, if I tried. I only see the oddities like buildings that end up as > area=yes, or that aren't rectangular, because that takes quite a bit of > effort to do, over and over again in iD. > > Lately it's stuff like amenity_1=... that produces bad data. > > Polyglot > > > 2016-03-05 8:25 GMT+01:00 Natfoot <natf...@gmail.com>: > >> As an Editor that uses ID exclusively for edits I can confirm that ID has >> changed in the past three days. I have not made edits yet that are using >> the new icons as I will need to relearn ID and be able to teach it at the >> next Missing Maps meetup. >> >> Nathan P >> email: natf...@gmail.com >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Suzan Reed <su...@suzanreed.com> wrote: >> >>> All the tags in iD have changed. >>> >>> There is no longer Road or Unclassified Road. I have no idea what a >>> “minor road” is, and it doesn’t match anything in OSM or HOT tags. Other >>> tags have disappeared as well including Water, etc. >>> >>> These strange new tags need to be changed back to the ones that were in >>> iD so it matches everything else in OSM and HOT. Who can do that? >>> >>> Suzan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I assumed there was an "unclassified" road icon in iD as the tag is >>> highway=unclassified, however, iD calls that a "Minor Road" but gives it >>> the highway=unclassified k=v. >>> >>> iD does have an icon for "unclassified road", does that not result in a >>> k=v of "highway=unclassified"? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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