Hi, We should first consolidate pre-disaster data (through Bing + vintage Digital Globe Imagery) before processing post-disaster data, so IMHO the two jobs are complementary.
Sincerely, Severin On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rod Bera <r...@goarem.org> wrote: > now we've got overlapping tasks. > > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64 > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252 > > where do we go from here? > > This could/should have been anticipated/prevented. > > Now we should consider trans-TM indexing, as these and other TM > instances are probably here to last. > > > > On 24/10/16 10:07, Cristiano Giovando wrote: > > Bonjour, > > > > (s'il vous plaît excuser mon anglais) > > > > There are three WorldView 3 images available, captured on October 10 > > over the Grand'Anse and Sud departments. These have limited cloud > > coverage and show very dramatically the impact of Hurricane Matthew in > > western Haiti: > > > > > https://beta.openaerialmap.org/#/-74.3994140625,18.521278249360137,10/ > 032210312003?date=month&_k=uvs9ut > > > > We, at HOT would like to create three tasks to update all baseline > > information as shown by those images. I noticed that you guys > > currently have a task over the same area which is using Bing as > > default imagery source: > > > > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64 > > > > In order to coordinate our efforts, I would like you to consider this > > project that I just set up and ask you to let me know if you think it > > would make sense to publish it first, since it has that more recent > > imagery: > > > > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252 > > > > Right now it's published with low priority, just for you to be able to > > see it. For reference, this is the exact extent: > > > http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/5cfec955932472ebd1d23a01421a42 > c5&map=11/18.4698/-74.4193 > > > > Please let me know what you think, also in terms of instructions. > > Happy to discuss or change anything based on everyone's feedback > > before publishing it (bumping it up to high priority). > > > > Also, we will not be doing any damage assessment (as indicated in the > > task), so if you guys have any need to do it, feel free to use the TMS > > services off of OAM. Here's one to browse the same October 10 image: > > > http://oam-dynamic-tiler-tmp.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ > 57fecc6984ae75bb00ec752c/preview/#19/18.57497/-74.38157 > > > > Looking forward to your feedback. > > Thank you, > > > > Cristiano > > > > > > > > > On 24/10/16 11:46, Rod Bera wrote: > > Hi Mikel, > > > >> that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary > >> tasking manager. > > > > to me it's not. > > As I understand things, the fact that a task needs to be > > endorsed/supported by HOT if it is to appear on tasks.hotosm.org is a > > problem. The fact that only co-opted ("trained", "friends") individual > > can post a task is a problem too. > > > > There were discussions on this in the past with people advocating a more > > open policy for tasks.hotosm.org. > > > > This did not happen for some reasons internal to HOT US Inc. > > > > Then it appeared as a logical consequence that others would set-up > > tasking managers fit for their needs. > > Related to this is last year's discussion on default logos (TM by > > default had a HOT logo), name (HOT tasking manager formerly incorrectly > > known as OSM tasking manager). This was settled, more or less. > > > > The next logical step (I also mentioned it at that time) was what is > > happening now: possibly conflicting tasks. Well it is not the case yet: > > as as far as I can see there is no overlap between tasks from > > tasks.hotosm.org and tasks from taches.francophonelibre.org, but it will > > fatally happen at some point. > > > > To address this I proposed a number of solutions which had not much > > success: > > -indexing tasking managers and tasks into a reference catalogue, or > > -indexing TMs and tasks into catalogueS, possibly one for each TM with > > service metadata, and subsequently allow for either cross-harvesting, or > > -bottom-up harvesting if there is a truly community-operated reference > > catalogue endorsed by everyone. > > > > > > I agree this makes things a bit complicated as it would ideally require > > GeoNetwork instances (ideally one for each TM) or something similar. But > > the INSPIRE SDI experience in Europe shows it works quite smoothly. > > > > However I agree it adds-up some complexity where we could avoid it. If > > only there was only ONE TM that would be EVERYONE'S TM. > > The de facto control of the original TM by HOT with a disputable policy > > as to who had a right/privilege to define and post tasks broke up this > hope. > > > > Given this I have no problem with tasks.hotosm.org being administered > > with HOT US Inc. rules. Or other TM being administered according to > > different policies. We are diverse after all. > > > > Now, we probably agree that beyond this diversity we have to work > > together as a global community. > > > > To this aim I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find ways of coming > > up with the kind of "universal catalogue of tasks" we (OSM) need. > > > > tasks.hotosm.org #2219 #2229 #2236 #2237 #2248 etc., as well as > > taches.francophonelibre.org #35 #40 # 41 #45 #63 #64 #65 #66 #67 etc. > > are all pertinent and they all should be primarily viewed as the > > contributions from the OSM community instead of the organisations > > running the tasking managers. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15/10/16 15:28, Mikel Maron wrote: > >> Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course is the > >> best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers, > >> including in Haiti. > >> > >> But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary > >> tasking manager. > >> > >> Mikel > >> > >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan > >> <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities? > >> > >> I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially > >> in the high priority list and in this case Haiti the local language > >> is French which means it is more difficult for the local needs to be > >> understood by none francophone outsiders. > >> > >> There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti > >> but there are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen > >> them is to work with them. > >> > >> Cheerio John > >> > >> On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com > >> <javascript:return>> wrote: > >> > >> Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of > >> course going to create conflicts. There's no need at all to > >> create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. Simply, > >> communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to > >> the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up. > >> > >> Mikel > >> > >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard > >> <severin.men...@gmail.com <javascript:return>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti > >> mapping. Job #45 > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61> is > >> almost done now and we will start mapping the rural areas > >> within the hills of département of Grande-Anse, over the > >> communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan, Moron, Anse > >> d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected > >> areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with winds > >> over 120 km/h) with job #64 > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64>, continuing > >> our systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called > >> mornes in Haiti). > >> > >> We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane > >> Ouattara and will have a team of crisis mapping during the > >> whole day to show students and people what it is. No > >> newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké but > >> invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join > >> later when experienced enough. > >> > >> I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination team, > >> especially Dale Kunce: > >> > >> October 8 6:30 PM UTC I communicated about job #39 > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/39> about > >> pre-disaster mapping over Jeremie. On October 12, when our > >> mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, we figure out > >> people are mapping on the area, due to a HOT US job #2228 > >> <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> created by Dale > >> Kunce. We stopped and quickly detected all the mistakes done > >> by very recent mappers. > >> > >> October 12 11:40 AM UTC I communicated on the hot list > >> including regarding job #45 > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45> about > >> mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOT US job > >> #2224 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2224> covering an > >> area slightly smaller inside the one I made was created by > >> Dale Kunce... As if there was no other places to be mapped > >> in Haiti... > >> > >> > >> So far, we created 7 jobs over Haiti, I communicated about > >> them and they are all on the > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org>http://taches. > >> francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a big deal > just > >> to check them. > >> > >> @Dale I think HOT US created a curriculum to raise skills to > >> become Crisis activators, I would advise you to read it one > >> day when you have a bit of time. If ever it does not mention > >> to read and communicate in the hot list during an > >> activation, I would suggest to add it into the > >> documentation. As an incorporated company, HOT US may have > >> its own internal tools to organize its mapping, but the > >> minimum is to communicate a bit on the hot list with the OSM > >> community, who is the holder of this list (as everything > >> with @openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>). > >> > >> If you now create a new job covering job #45 > >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61>, I > >> may try next time to create a job in the middle of the > >> water, just to see if you jump on it. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Severin > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org > >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>https:// > lists.openstreetmap. > >> org/listinfo/hot > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org <javascript:return> > >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>https:// > lists.openstreetmap. > >> org/listinfo/hot > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >> > > > > > > > -- > Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique / Lecturer, Geomatics > et SIG pour l'Environnement / and Environmental GIS > Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France > +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >
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