Hi Pierre, As you may notice, I did not copy the francophone list on my reply to Jean-Guilhem.
With regards to respecting each other and keeping peace, please let me know if you feel any of my messages are found offensive - that is certainly not my intention. I reached out for coordination, so it sounds like we're trying to do the same thing. To address your moderation concerns of the HOT list, as I suggested, it would be great if you could help drafting a governance proposal to discuss with the humanitarian OSM communities. Thanks! Cristiano On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > Hi Christiano > > On the hot-francophone list, a few african OSM french collaborators answered > you saying that they dont understand english and are asking that you stop > addressing in english HOT messages without translating in french to a french > list. Since the OSM humanitarian volunteers are following the HOT list, you > dont need to send to the HOT francophone list. > > The OSM francopohone humanitarian volunteers leading this OSM volunteer > response, including myself are part of HOT. For many we volunteer since 2010 > and did lead OSM responses for years, developping expertise and relations > with the international organizations and UN agencies. There are tensions in > HOT about which projects to favor and about how to deal with volunteers. You > might not know all the discussions at HOT behind the scene. You should let > the Board answer on such matters. > > The tradition at OSM is that volunteers an various partners organize various > projects, exchange, build together this fantastic project that OSM is today. > > This a major activation and the HOT Board should make peace and respect the > volunteers highly engaged in Activations for years. > > It is indicated on the HOT list > > HOT list run by mikel_maron at yahoo.com, kate.chapman at hotosm.org, mail > at harrywood.co.uk, bgirardot at gmail.com, heather.leson at hotosm.org > > Could these persons confirm that they are still administrators of the HOT > list? And please, I am asking you to stop censuring the HOT list. This is > surely not time for power games in such humanitarian responses. There is 1,4 > million people to help. Crops have been destroyed, water is contaminated and > cholera is spreading. Some remote villages are struggling to receve help. > > Please let's come back to the tradition of doing some Humanitarian Responses > with peace and respect. > > Xavier Lamure Tardieu, Presler Jean and Fred Moine are working very hard in > Haiti. A journalist did describe yesterday how useful are the UAV missions. > If you want to read and re-tweet. > https://twitter.com/Ameliebaron/status/790973282635972608 > https://twitter.com/Ameliebaron/status/790588418493251584 > > > regard > > > Pierre > > > ________________________________ > De : Cristiano Giovando <cristiano.giova...@hotosm.org> > À : Jean-Guilhem Cailton <j...@arkemie.com> > Cc : t...@openstreetmap.org; "HOT@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> > Envoyé le : mardi 25 octobre 2016 15h52 > Objet : Re: [HOT] [Hot-francophone] Haïti : CNIGS aerial cover / couverture > aérienne du CNIGS > > Hi Jean-Guilhem, > > Thanks for making this imagery available. Can you kindly clarify the > license and the exact geographic footprint? It would also be really > helpful to have more details about accuracy and whether ground control > was used in the orthomosaicing process. > > With regards to your messages to the HOT list I believe they are being > moderated for reasons related to previous conduct. Since this is not > your first complaint, would you please take the lead to draft a > proposal for governance of the HOT mailing list? > > As you said, the HOT list is open all humanitarian OSM mapping groups, > and a proposal on the wiki could be a concrete first step for the > community to discuss and move forward. > > Here are also some materials that may be helpful or could be referenced: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft) > https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md > > Thanks! > > Cristiano > > On Oct 25, 2016 3:29 AM, "Jean-Guilhem Cailton" <j...@arkemie.com> wrote: >> >> (Version en français ci-dessous) >> >> Hi, >> >> An aerial reference cover of the western end of Tiburon Peninsula has >> been made available by CNIGS (Centre National de l'Information >> Géographique et Spatiale), Haiti national mapping agency. It was taken >> in 2014-2015, with a resolution of 25 cm. It is hosted by OpenStreetMap >> France. A few tiles and strips are currently missing, due to the >> difficulty of connections with Haiti. >> >> If you are to realign data or images, you should use it as reference. >> >> TMS URL for JOSM: >> >> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/haiti_cnigs_2014_2015/{zoom}/{x}/{y} >> >> (This same layer was first started with coverage of the areas covered by >> drones after hurricane Matthew). >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jean-Guilhem >> >> PS : After some "post-factual" messages, it could be necessary to recall >> that my messages to the hot@openstreetmap.org mailing list have been >> delayed and even often completely blocked since more than a year. That >> is why I also now address them to the Talk list, so that this be visible >> publically. No justification whatsoever was ever given, in spite of many >> requests - not even an example of an inappropriate email. >> My last blocked emails were about drone images after Matthew. By the >> way, that subject was considered interesting enough by AFP to publish >> this article by Amélie Baron, that appeared around the World: >> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/drones-help-identify-post-hurricane-matthew-needs-haiti-190702633.html >> These repeated blocks, against OSM lists rules and simple human decency, >> constitute abuse of entrusted power. And it is certainly not for general >> interest. >> >> Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum >> >> ----- >> >> Bonjour, >> >> Une couverture aérienne de référence de l'extrémité ouest de la >> Péninsule de Tiburon a été rendue disponible par le CNIGS (Centre >> National de l'Information Géographique et Spatiale), l'institut >> géographique national haïtien. Elle a été prise en 2014-2015, avec une >> résolution de 25 cm. Elle est hébergée par OpenStreetMap France. >> Quelques dalles et bandes manquent pour le moment, en raison des >> difficultés de connexion avec Haïti. >> >> Si vous réalignez des données ou des images, vous devriez l'utiliser >> comme référence. >> >> URL TMS pour JOSM: >> >> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/haiti_cnigs_2014_2015/{zoom}/{x}/{y} >> >> (Cette même couche a commencé par contenir une couverture des zones dont >> des images ont été prises par drone après le cyclone Matthew). >> >> Bien cordialement, >> >> Jean-Guilhem >> >> PS : Après certains messages "post-factuels", il pourrait être >> nécessaire de rappeler que mes messages à la liste hot@openstreetmap.org >> sont retardés et même souvent carrément bloqués depuis plus d'un an. >> C'est pour cela que je les adresse aussi à la liste Talk, pour que ceci >> soit visible publiquement. Aucune justification n'en a été donnée, >> malgré de nombreuses demandes - ne serait-ce que par un exemple de >> courriel inapproprié. >> Mes derniers courriels bloqués étaient à propos d'images drone après >> Matthew. Au passage, ce sujet a paru assez intéressant à l'AFP pour >> publier cet article d'Amélie Baron, repris un peu partout dans le monde >> : >> >> http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/10/24/haiti-des-drones-pour-mieux-identifier-les-besoins-apres-louragan-matthew >> Ces blocages répétés, contraires aux règles de fonctionnement des listes >> d'OpenStreetMap, et à la simple décence humaine, constituent un abus >> d'un pouvoir confié. Et ce n'est certainement pas pour l'intérêt général. >> >> Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum >> >> -- >> "Corruption is the abuse of entrusted power for private gain." >> Transparency International >> >> https://www.transparency.org/whatwedo/publication/preventing_corruption_in_humanitarian_operations >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hot-francophone mailing list >> hot-francoph...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot-francophone > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > -- Cristiano Giovando Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team cristiano.giova...@hotosm.org http://www.hotosm.org _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
