I'm in favor also. On December 8, 2021 2:00:01 PM CST, hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org wrote: >Send Hpr mailing list submissions to > hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hpr-requ...@hackerpublicradio.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > hpr-ow...@hackerpublicradio.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Hpr digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when > posting to HPR (Ken Fallon) > 2. Re: Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when > posting to HPR (James T) > 3. Re: Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when > posting to HPR (Kevin O'Brien) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 18:30:46 +0100 >From: Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> >To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >Subject: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" when > posting to HPR >Message-ID: <2a50366b-5ffb-1b69-1b2e-cfb19bf7e...@fallon.ie> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > >Hi All, > >We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any >work is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'. > >We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free >Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under >a FLOSS software license. > >We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair >use" clause. > >We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has >explicit permission to submit the show. We have never had a show >submitted under this clause. > >I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would >give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners. > >Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative >Commons they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we >play content that is not Creative Commons then they do. > >It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without >knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been >able to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it. > >This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed >Creative Commons but the individual show would not be. > >To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and >make it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly >opt in for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one >would be subscribed to this feed. > >Proposed Change: > >Removal of: >< If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by >arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload >your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR >content can filter your show out. >--- >Replace with: >> If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU Free >> Documentation License, >public domain, or FLOSS software license, then please signal that when >you upload your show. We do not post other copyrighted content, even if >it is made available under fair use, or by arranged permission. > > > >[1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license >[2] >http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html >[3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission >[4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence > >-- > >Regards, > >Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) >https://kenfallon.com >https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/attachments/20211208/71ca355c/attachment-0001.html> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 17:46:35 +0000 >From: James T <ja...@toebesacademy.com> >To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org, Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> >Subject: Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" > when posting to HPR >Message-ID: > > <20211208174635.horde.shru6vetsm3b6qtxbq9v...@nextcloud.toebesacademy.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Sounds good. and avoids a legal challenge. > >"Ken Fallon" k...@fallon.ie ? December 8, 2021 12:32 PM >> Hi All, >> We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any work >> is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'. >> >> We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free >> Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under a >> FLOSS software license. >> We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair >> use" clause. >> >> We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has explicit >> permission to submit the show. We have never had a show submitted under this >> clause. >> I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would >> give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners. >> >> Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative Commons >> they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we play content >> that is not Creative Commons then they do. >> >> It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without >> knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been able >> to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it. >> >> This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed >> Creative Commons but the individual show would not be. >> To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and make >> it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly opt in >> for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one would be >> subscribed to this feed. >> Proposed Change: >> Removal of: >> < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by >> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload >> your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR >> content can filter your show out. >> --- >> Replace with: >> > If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU Free >> > Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then >> > please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other >> > copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by >> > arranged permission. >> >> >> [1] hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php[2] >> hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html[3] >> hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php >> [4] www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) >> kenfallon.com >> hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:57:31 -0500 >From: "Kevin O'Brien" <zwil...@zwilnik.com> >To: Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> >Cc: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >Subject: Re: [Hpr] Policy Change: Removal of "by arranged permission" > when posting to HPR >Message-ID: > <CAG9pf7EdOktp_=tKN8jmWS6jdURRP=ign1oj6tdst54nnva...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >I'm in favor. I've used Creative Commons for all my content for years. > >Regards, > > >-- >Kevin B. O'Brien >zwil...@zwilnik.com >http://google.me/+kevinobrien >http://www.google.com/profiles/Ahuka5656 >http://about.me/zwilnik > >?People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be >afraid of their people.? - Alan Moore, V for Vendetta > > >On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:30 PM Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> We require a license from the host submitting a show, as by default any work >> is considered to be "Copyright all rights reserved'. >> >> We accept shows posted under any Creative Commons license[1], GNU Free >> Documentation License, anything in the public domain, and anything under a >> FLOSS software license. >> >> We do not post other copyrighted content[2], even if it is under a "fair >> use" clause. >> >> We *do* allow shows "by arranged permission"[3], where the host has explicit >> permission to submit the show. We have never had a show submitted under this >> clause. >> >> I am now proposing that we remove that option, as even though that would >> give us permission to host it it causes problems for our listeners. >> >> Our podcast is played in public spaces. As the content is Creative Commons >> they don't need to pay national license authorities[4]. If we play content >> that is not Creative Commons then they do. >> >> It also would prevent anyone from knowing the rights they have without >> knowing the exact permission attached to that individual show, and been able >> to interpret what it would mean to them if they reused it. >> >> This clause makes the whole question ambiguous because we flag our feed >> Creative Commons but the individual show would not be. >> >> To be safe we would need to remove these shows from the main feed, and make >> it so that you would only get these special shows if you explicitly opt in >> for them. I don't see how this would benefit anyone as no one would be >> subscribed to this feed. >> >> Proposed Change: >> >> Removal of: >> < If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons License or by >> arranged permission please make note of the restrictions when you upload >> your show. We can then signal that, so that others who redistribute HPR >> content can filter your show out. >> --- >> Replace with: >> > If you are redistributing under another Creative Commons license, GNU Free >> > Documentation License, public domain, or FLOSS software license, then >> > please signal that when you upload your show. We do not post other >> > copyrighted content, even if it is made available under fair use, or by >> > arranged permission. >> >> >> >> [1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#license >> [2] >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html >> [3] http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission >> [4] https://www.ppimusic.ie/using-music/do-i-need-a-ppi-licence >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) >> https://kenfallon.com >> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hpr mailing list >> Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >_______________________________________________ >Hpr mailing list >Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > >------------------------------ > >End of Hpr Digest, Vol 159, Issue 2 >***********************************
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