Hi Mike I stand corrected, both amazed and impressed.
Beeza LibreOffice - Free and open source office suite: LibreOffice Website<https://www.libreoffice.org> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data ________________________________ From: Hpr <hpr-boun...@hackerpublicradio.org> on behalf of Mike Ray <m...@raspberryvi.org> Sent: 11 January 2022 18:51 To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org> Subject: Re: [Hpr] takov751 I can. As can a lot of blind people who rely on tts. Perhaps not for prose, but certainly for source code. On 11/01/2022 18:49, Nigel Verity wrote: > Hi Ken > > The third voice is head and shoulders above the other two to my ears. Above > 200% speed I struggle to take everything in. By the time you get to 500% it > is just a joke. Surely nobody can follow speech at that speed. > > Beeza > > LibreOffice - Free and open source office suite: LibreOffice > Website<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.libreoffice.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ax070r5lReFA2gi3gr57yXpiyqz%2BRPVziDmbvTeUKhU%3D&reserved=0> > Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data > > ________________________________ > From: Hpr <hpr-boun...@hackerpublicradio.org> on behalf of Ken Fallon > <k...@fallon.ie> > Sent: 11 January 2022 18:09 > To: m...@raspberryvi.org <m...@raspberryvi.org>; hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org> > Subject: Re: [Hpr] takov751 > > Hi Mike, > > As a TTS engine for reading the screen back to me I am more than happy > with it and use it continually during the day. It's not just visually > impaired people that rely on TTS. It does that job and does it well. > > The objection I have to using espeak as the voice of HPR is that it is > harsh, unfriendly and not welcoming, its so bad in fact that it makes > kids cry. I speak from personal experience. When my kids were small I > made a project based on espeak (in English) for them to interact with. > It was a disaster. When the espeak voice started speaking they got > scared, started to cry, ran away, and never wanted to have anything to > do with it again. > > Over the years the biggest objection to the TTS on HPR has been the > espeak voice. It has also been the biggest point of negative feedback I > get when trying to promote HPR to potential interviewees or projects. > > If those are not valid enough reasons then I don't know what will > convince you. I can also assure you my desktop wallpaper is the default > supplied with my distro. > > In the past it has been argued that the more natural voices are > difficult to understand when sped up. So I took the two most natural > voices from the list and posted a side by side comparison to espeak at > 150%, 200%, 250%, 300%, 350%, 400%, 450%, and 500%. In my opinion the > coqui-tts_en_en_ljspeech is more understandable than espeak at every speed. > > Can everyone have a listen to this and tell me your preference > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Ftts-espeak-ljspeech-vctk-normal-150-200-250-300-350-400-450-500-percent.ogg&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=FNw2tezhUdQIfuYsBxcyJ0HC4RN6AjMVGBbYPN4p2Ks%3D&reserved=0 > > Ken. > > > > On 2022-01-11 14:35, Mike Ray wrote: >> >> >> And here was me thinking about posting to the list about how much >> better it is now with the softer music in the background and a nice >> punchy eSpeak voice. >> >> I still have no idea what the objection to the eSpeak voice is. >> >> If you spend as many hours a day coding as I do, and rely on tts to >> make this possible, then eSpeak is the way forward. Although I know >> this may only be true for English speakers. Not sure how good eSpeak >> is at other languages. >> >> People who complain about eSpeak are probably the same people who >> never get any work done because they are constantly fiddling with the >> desktop wallpaper. >> >> :-p >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/01/2022 10:44, Ken Fallon wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> We got a comment from takov751 via >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F%23hpr%3Amatrix.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=XLtpk3JOSRocE3xz%2BeVgLYJXH4F%2Frq9y%2FmIZWw%2BWezw%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> <quote> >>> >>> Greetings i am a long listener of the shows . And of course planing >>> to make my first show . I would like to ask question regarding tts at >>> the beginning of the show usually I hear the espeak robotic voice . >>> In the workflow have you considered using mimic1 or opentts / >>> Mozillatts or something along those lines ? It’s seems like these >>> would be compatible with licensing as well and bir more realistic >>> voices . A few examples >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhub.docker.com%2Fu%2Fsynesthesiam&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=baeobqJGxw4ZQ4Iid%2BwM%2B3wTz25z4URZHcWNHVg%2FnaE%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> </quote> >>> >>> Re-posted with permission >>> >>> Sample voices are here: >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsynesthesiam.github.io%2Fopentts&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pZ019zzv9OxS8s9iSZkxWETdHeVfPZVzM%2FAmXoGb5ZQ%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> @Mike Ray >>> >>> I would like to try and get a happy balance between meeting your >>> needs and having a voice that is friendly. While I love espeak it is >>> not friendly - it literally put my kids in tears when they were >>> younger :-) >>> >>> Could you have a listen to some of the other voices and see if any of >>> them come close to your requirements for TTS >>> >>> FYI I find these two "friendly" >>> >>> * >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsynesthesiam.github.io%2Fopentts%2F%23coqui-tts_en_en_ljspeech&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=c9SXFvGRjubID7elx3hrf4Is1FkfcyDkHX3NOqwIY8E%3D&reserved=0 >>> * >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsynesthesiam.github.io%2Fopentts%2F%23coqui-tts_en_en_vctk&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kYRaCk2GOpJLNijevQEbLxUEDNBjaJu4zko%2FVe0%2BDT8%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fhpr_hackerpublicradio.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e156590b65a43fa181308d9d53399ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637775239860392188%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kAWAW7esGy9Tqcc%2FtPRldUhN91Z53j0eXSeZMLrZvTI%3D&reserved=0 > -- Michael A. 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