In principle I am a firm believer of the principle "I disagree vehemently with what you say but defend absolutely your right to say it" (or whatever the precise wording was). However we have to accept that the real world does not follow that approach to its ultimate conclusion. It's easy to take the view "publish and be damned" when it is Ken risking possibly a year inside rather than us.
The reality of genuinely unrestricted, no holds barred free speech is actually quite sobering. Try "Where Thought Is Free" for an hour or two late at night (GMT) to hear an example of what surely nobody would want HPR to become. https://au1.fastcast4u.com/proxy/wtfr?mp=/1 The dilemma would seem to be that HPR can only protect itself against legally unacceptable material if somebody listens to every show between submission and publication to the stream, but that runs contrary to the HPR censorship policy. Nige LibreOffice - Free and open source office suite: LibreOffice Website<https://www.libreoffice.org> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data ________________________________ From: Hpr <hpr-boun...@hackerpublicradio.org> on behalf of Claudio Miranda <quadsi...@gmail.com> Sent: 08 May 2022 19:39 To: Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> Cc: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>; HPR Admins <ad...@hackerpublicradio.org>; audit...@hackerpublicradio.org <audit...@hackerpublicradio.org> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Moving a show out ... again I know it's rather simplistic and might not be the best option, but I'm tossing it out there: a 3-strikes policy. Maybe this time, give the benefit of the doubt, but with a stern warning that the next time it will not be allowed. Just a thought. Claudio On Sun, May 8, 2022, 2:30 PM Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie<mailto:k...@fallon.ie>> wrote: Hi All, You may remember<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Fpipermail%2Fhpr_hackerpublicradio.org%2F2022-March%2F015174.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cb47c1ccd35d145c9c6e408da3122676c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637876321080779753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XfnzsIJewZBFFFKxoRk%2FzQHIr4qsDwwwNQenYvEfhqk%3D&reserved=0> that back in March a host submitted a show that we had some problems with. We didn't go into details at the time as I wanted to give the host the benefit of the doubt. Suffice to say that were the show posted, I was looking at a considerable fine and up to a year in prison. In the end the host got back to us and decided to post it else where. As it turns out that platform also did not post the content in my region for the same reasons. We now have another show from the same host and it has content that would bring us other legal issues, as well as violating the terms and conditions of our hosting providers. The host is not responding to my emails, presumably they are out camping again. While our policy on censorship states "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the audio you submit," it continues ",we trust you to do that<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Fstuff_you_need_to_know.php%23not_moderated&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cb47c1ccd35d145c9c6e408da3122676c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637876321080935838%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qGfQu5IXqismMubjGqnKPgXwfx%2FMW88kKAzEczOBnvI%3D&reserved=0>." While this host was given the benefit of the doubt the first time, I feel that by immediately posting another show like this they have betrayed the trust of the Janitors, Hosting Providers, Patrons, and the wider HPR community. As you can imagine even having the show in the future feed is a bit risky, but we can not allow it to hit the main feed until the entire HPR community has had time to decide how to proceed. We will bring this up on the next community news and allow discussions as to how we deal with this stuff going forward. Up until now it has not been necessary but alas apparently now it is. So I am once again asking you to allow me to move the problem show out so the host has time to get back to me. 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