Thanks Thomas, It would be great to change the Hypersonic License.
The reason the OOo marketing group said HSQLDB could not be shipped with OOo was the advertising clause. The HSQLDB license is the Modified (new) BSD License. This license text is widely used and has been accepted as a full Open Source License by the Open Source community, in the sense that the code can be included even with GPL products. If you replace the Hypersonic License with the text of the HSQLDB license (with the word HSQLDB replaced with Hypersonic), then everything will be fine. You can check the following link under Modified BSD License. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses I understand your original reasons for the Hypersonic License, but currently the Apache license does not insist on 'all advertising material' to include a sentence. Changing the Hypersonic License to Modified BSD will remove the only obstacle to widespread use of HSQLDB in open source products. I think It would be fine to post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED], as your post can then be seen by the whole Open Office community. Fred Toussi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fredt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 25 August 2004 16:33 Subject: Re: [Hsqldb-developers] OpenOffice 2.0 integration / license issues? Hi Fred, Hey, I didn't know that OpenOffice thought about including HSQLDB. The license of Hypersonic SQL is a little more strict that usual (actually, it's an Apache style license) due to: http://www.bungisoft.com/html/products/redbase This guy tries to sell HSQLDB for money, hiding the fact that it it HSQLDB. And I don't like that. However, it seems Redbase is not successfull (not many posts in the forum). While I don't fully understand why OpenOffice can't ship a HSQLDB because of the Apache style license (well Oracle ships Apache), I'm certainly willing to change the license. Maybe it's required to change the HSQLDB license too? Let's discuss with OpenOffice what's required, and then I will do that. Do you want to discuss with them, or should I? Should I send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or do you have a better (more direct) address? I read the marketing department said no? Thanks, Thomas > Thanks Thomas, > > We are involved in the HSQLDB side of the integration project on the > HSQLDB > . > > The next version of OOo will use the next version of HSQLDB as its default > database engine and store the database in its file. (It will still be > possible to use other databases). > > The licensing issue is the 'advertising clause' in the Hypersonic license. > If the Hypersonic Development Group removes this clause, then there will > be > no problem shipping HSQLDB with OOo. Otherwise, there will be a separate > download. This is the main point where there has been criticism of the > choice of HSQLDB. > > Please read the following for more information. > > http://dba.openoffice.org/miscellaneous/dba20.html > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00547.html > > Fred Toussi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 25 August 2004 13:00 > Subject: [Hsqldb-developers] OpenOffice 2.0 integration / license issues? > > > Hi, > > I just read in a german article that OpenOffice 2.0 may support / suggest > to > use HSQLDB: > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/50364 > http://www.amt-wiesbaden.de/downloads/OOo_20_Vorschau.pdf > > That is great. However, it seems due to license issues the integration at > packaging level seems not possible at the moment (separate download > necessary). > > I think it would be great if OpenOffice would ship with HSQLDB! What do > you > think? Was anybody contacted by the OpenOffice team (about license issues > or > otherwise)? > > Thomas > > -- > NEU: Bis zu 10 GB Speicher für e-mails & Dateien! > 1 GB bereits bei GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media > 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 > Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. > http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 > _______________________________________________ > hsqldb-developers mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers > -- Supergünstige DSL-Tarife + WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* Jetzt zu GMX wechseln und sparen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 _______________________________________________ hsqldb-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers
