Hi, is there somewhere I can download the original files. I’d like to try out this process on my Mac as a learning experience.
Thanks … Don J. > On Aug 17, 2023, at 11:56 PM, David W. Jones <gnomeno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, Stanley! > > I got your We Transfer. Good download speed from them! > Notes: > > I'm doing this in Hugin 2022.0, with the Interface set to "Expert". I think > Hugin's default interface is Simple. If you don't see some of the options I > mention below, you might need to change the Interface setting. > I use Linux. > Process > > In my file manager: > > I selected all the TIF files, right-clicked on them, and selected Open With > > Hugin PTO Generator. That produced a PTO file it named GF_6 panels_ 3 Rows > 0-GF_6 panels_ 3 Rows 17.pto. > Then I opened that PTO file in Hugin. > In Hugin: > > Then I opened Hugin's Fast Panorama preview window. You can get to it under > View > Fast Panorama preview window. > In the preview window, I clicked the Assistant tab, then its Align button. > Ideally, that finds all the control points connecting the images, positions > them, etc. > > In this case, it reported 3 unconnected image groups: [0-6, 9, 12-17], [7-8], > [10-11]. I think that's what was making a mess of your first attempt at it in > Hugin. > > I addressed that by selecting just the photos on the photo list that should > have been linked but weren't, and running cpfind on them. > > Basically, you shot them as 3 rows of 6, so there should be control points > connecting adjacent images across each row - 0-5, 6-11, and 12-17 - and each > column (0-6, 6-12) stepping across each row. > 0 1 2 3 4 5 > 6 7 8 9 10 11 > 12 13 14 15 16 17 > > So in the Hugin main window, I clicked on the Control Points tab, chose the > first and second image in the first row, and stepped across each image pair, > checking for control points. If there weren't any control points, I clicked > on the Photos tab, then ctrl-clicked the two photos of the image pair, and > clicked the Create Control Points button. That found the missing control > points between those images. There were a lot of missing control points! > > Then I similarly checked the image pairs in the second row (starting with > image 6) and the third row (starting with image 12). > > After that, save the panorama, and similarly check the vertical columns. > First image in each row should have control points connecting it and the > image below it. > > Note: I'm not using the term "stack" for the columns. They're columns. Hugin > uses "stack" to mean images stacked right on top of each other, like you'd > get if you were shooting bracketed exposures for each image. > > Once all the images were connected with control points, I ran Hugins' > gemoetric and photometric optimizations in this manual "optimize-clean > control points" process I always use. I think it gives me better results. > Ran gemometric optimization: Positions (incremental starting from anchor). > Ran clean control points, that cleared 65 of them. > Ran gemometric optimization: Positions (y,p,r). > Ran clean control points, that cleared 59 of them. > Ran gemometric optimization: Positions and View (y, p, r, v) > Ran clean control points, that cleared 56 of them. > Ran gemometric optimization: Positions and Barrel Distortion (y, p, r, b). > Ran clean control points, that cleared 41 of them. > Ran gemometric optimization: Positions, View and Barrel (y, p, r, v, b) > Ran clean control points, that cleared 30 of them. > Ran gemometric optimization: Everything without translation. > That gave me control point distances looking like this: > Results: > average control point distance: 0.049267 > standard deviation: 0.026241 > maximum: 0.172910 > That is VERY GOOD! :) > > Then I re-opened Hugin's Fast Panorama preview window: > I clicked on its Move/Drag tab, then clicked on Center. That displayed the > message that setting the panorama to rectilinear would keep the straight > lines straight. > So, on the Projection tab, I changed the projection to Rectilinear. You can > do that if you want; I think the default Equirectangular projection was fine, > too. > Then I went back to Move/Drag and clicked Center again. > Some of the color balance across the images didn't quite match up, mostly in > the last two right side columns of the image, most visible in the sky. So I > closed the preview window and ran Photometric optimization for Low Dynamic > Range. None of these photos looked like you were shooting for high-dynamic > range, anyway. That didn't help a lot, so I tried some of the the other > options, like "low dynamic range, variable white balance", based on the color > temperature in the original pictures from the camera, if you want. Or > "high-dynamic range, fixed exposure." Without the original camera images, I > can't tell which one would be best, but the colors are still different. The > sky is more green and yellow in the 5th and 6th columns. I don't know if > that's something you could address in whatever program you use for developing > your shots. > Then I clicked on the Crop tab, then Autocrop and closed the Fast Panorama > preview window. > In Hugin's main window, I clicked on the Stitcher tab, then Calculate Optimal > Size. That gave me a 14219x12688 image size. I left everything else at > default and started the stitch. Four minutes later, I had a final image, > 13565x8654, 933MB. > > I also checked what would happen if I started a new Hugin project and > drag-and-dropped the images into it. I got a popup telling me: > Hugin has image stacks detected in the added images and will assign > corresponding stack numbers to the images. > Should the position of images in each stack be linked? > > The options were "Don't link position", "Don't assign stacks", and "Link > position". > I took the Don't assign stacks option because you don't have any of what > Hugin considers image stacks. That may have been another factor messing up > your panorama. I have no idea why Hugin thinks there are stacks in the set.. > > Without assigning stacks, I got good results by going to the Fast Image > Preview window, clicking the Assistant tab, and clicking the Align button. > Easier than my manual process! > > I think the image I produced may have been a larger file than yours because I > use uncompressed TIF, and I think Hugin's default panorama size is 70%, not > the 100% I use. > > You can download the finished image and PTO file from my website. 884MB. Let > me know when you get it! > > http://clanjones.org/zips/GF_6_panels_3_Rows_0-GF_6_panels_3_Rows_17.zip > > Nice panorama - sharp images, lots of details, great view! Where was it taken? > > On 8/17/23 00:12, Stanley Green wrote: >> David, >> We transfer is not cooperating. I tried sending it several time to the email >> address shown on your responses to me. >> <Screenshot 2023-08-17 at 6.07.56 AM.png> >> >> >>> On Aug 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, David W. Jones <gnomeno...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sure. I've never used We Transfer, but it sounds like they'll let you do it. >>> >>> On 8/16/23 14:17, 'Stanley Green' via hugin and other free panoramic >>> software wrote: >>>> I’ll be glad to share the images. I have 18 images about 98 MB/image. How >>>> do you propose that I upload them? I have “We Transfer” that will let me >>>> transfer 2GB files. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2023, at 7:26 PM, David W. Jones <gnomeno...@gmail.com> >>>>> <mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hmm, just wondering. Could you upload your images somewhere? I'd like to >>>>> see what I could do with them. >>>>> >>>>> On 8/16/23 11:56, 'Stanley Green' via hugin and other free panoramic >>>>> software wrote: >>>>>> I am continuing to explore options to using Hugin. After forcing >>>>>> Affinity Photo, I just discovered that AP will automatically stitch my >>>>>> 18 images into a 3 row, 6 panel panorama. Now if the guys at Serif will >>>>>> just add some more projection options >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2023, at 1:35 PM, 'Stanley Green' via hugin and other free >>>>>>> panoramic software <hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> <mailto:hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beautiful day, less than beautiful results >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I shot a set of 18 images( 3 rows / 6 panels). I imported the raw >>>>>>> images into Capture One and then exported the images as Tiffs. I tried >>>>>>> to stitch the 18 images into a merged image using Hugin. Hugin was a >>>>>>> disaster, I cannot begin to describe the mess. I am obviously doing >>>>>>> something wrong. Than panels were merged with no rhyme or reason. Most >>>>>>> of the images was missing, there were “holidays”in the image and part >>>>>>> of the scene consisted of multiple exposures jumbled together, while >>>>>>> another part of the scene looked perfect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a control, I force stitched the image set using Affinity Photo: >>>>>>> Stitched row 1, I then stitched row 2, followed by row 3, other than >>>>>>> being clumsy and tedious no problems were encountered. After stitching >>>>>>> the three rows, I then successfully combined the three rows into a >>>>>>> 579.9 MB image. I also tried stitching the image using Capture One. >>>>>>> Even though I never saw a write-up that described that Capture One >>>>>>> could handle multi-row panoramas, C1 successfully merged a multi-row >>>>>>> pano. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Based on my success using Affinity and C1, I will try Hugin again using >>>>>>> the semi-automatic approach that was used in the tutorial that I >>>>>>> referenced in my previous emails. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2023, at 1:31 AM, David W. Jones <gnomeno...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> <mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/14/23 15:02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 15:12:37 -0400, Stanley Green wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Is anybody familiar with this video tutorial? >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaLNFKh82Dg >>>>>>>>>> "Producing multi-row image panoramas with Hugin" >>>>>>>>> No, I haven't watched it. I'll try to find time to do so later. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In this tutorial, the author created his control points using, >>>>>>>>>> “Feature Matching/Settings”. He chose an option called: “Cpfind >>>>>>>>>> (multirow/stacked)”. >>>>>>>>> Yes, I recall that. I'm not sure that we need it any more. >>>>>>>> In Hugin 2022, that option's gone. >>>>>>>>>> I am using Hugin version: 2019.2.0 (Mac), and when I go settings, >>>>>>>>>> I’m unable to find the Cpfind (multirow/stacked) option in the >>>>>>>>>> list. Is this a Mac issue or is he using a different version of >>>>>>>>>> Hugin? >>>>>>>>> It's still there in the version I use (probably not the newest), under >>>>>>>>> Feature Matching. Your list looks like the one from Feature Matching, >>>>>>>>> so maybe it has gone away since then; somebody else could answer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mac v 2019.2, I see 6 choices: >>>>>>>>>> 1. cpfind >>>>>>>>> Until proof of the contrary, use this, but see below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Cpfind + celeste (slower, but no cps on clouds) >>>>>>>>> I've found celeste to be singularly useless. >>>>>>>> Eh, works for me. But sometimes it's more effective to just use the >>>>>>>> standard cpfind, and periodically clean control points as I proceed >>>>>>>> through the optimization stages. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Align_image_stack >>>>>>>>> I've used this before. In some cases, it might produce better results >>>>>>>>> than cpfind. cpfind is newer, and initially there were some issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I only use this when I have an actual image stack to align. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. Align_image_stack Full Frame Fisheye >>>>>>>>> Unless you have a fisheye lens, this is clearly not needed. I do most >>>>>>>>> of my panos with a full frame fisheye, and the standard cpfind does >>>>>>>>> just fine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5. Vertical lines >>>>>>>>> Useful in some situations, but I've seldom found it useful. In >>>>>>>>> particular, it may recognize things like trees as being vertical when >>>>>>>>> in fact they're leaning slightly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've used it. Sometimes worth while to check the resulting vertical >>>>>>>> control points and remove the ones that aren't actually vertical. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've also noticed that it finds some pretty short "vertical lines". I >>>>>>>> don't remember it doing that in earlier versions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 6. Hugin’s CPFind (prealigned) >>>>>>>>> And I have no idea what this is. >>>>>>>> I understand that it tells Hugin to only check for control points >>>>>>>> between adjacent pictures. I mostly shoot single row panoramas and >>>>>>>> have gotten pretty good at image overlap, so I suppose it helps avoid >>>>>>>> situations where cpfind is finding matches between images that aren't >>>>>>>> near each other. I think these control points can confuse the >>>>>>>> alignment process. >>>>>>>>> My suggestion: use the Align tab on the Fast Panorama Preview. If >>>>>>>>> that doesn't give you joy, try cpfind and possibly align_image_stack. >>>>>>>>> If you still can't get anything useful, there's more help on this >>>>>>>>> list. Don't attach images: put them somewhere on the net and point to >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> Always good to ask here! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck >>>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sent from my desktop computer. >>>>>>>>> Finger groog...@gmail.com <mailto:groog...@gmail.com> for PGP public >>>>>>>>> key. >>>>>>>>> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >>>>>>>>> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program >>>>>>>>> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> David W. 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