So you accept that as truth because it is listed in the patient data
of your blood pressure medication that tinnitus has to be a true n
real condition? Perhaps the blood pressure medication fires specific
neurons linking to auditory hair cells that induce capacity to hear LF/
HF or become sensitive to tactile of vibrations
of a because of something
How many years have connections to blood pressure meds n tinnitus
been well known??
You would think after 40 yrs of studying it the condition of
tinnitus would fall into some category because of something
rather than just an all encompassing description based on what
someone had only perceived After all these years they still don't
have any scientific data to back it up other than the capacity to
describe it and label it This is the type of action that makes be
wary of something
Sorry didn't mean to make you feel that way I just didn't understand
why you
continued to use that label
Again sorry Trev
On May 13, 5:09 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
> Q: @ How can you keep repeating the tinnitus is because of
> something???
> Dee - you make me wary of posting, with questions like this-
> Of course it's because of something, or anything come to that- as it's
> not fully understood.
> Connections of it to meds are well known and listed in the patient
> data.
>
> On May 13, 4:21 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Patty The link wouldn't work for me It redirected me then said
> > cannot find server
> > in that link of yours of "Biological Effects of Microwaves: Thermal
> > and Nonthermal Mechanisms,
> > Can you try and repost it please? Thanks
> > On May 11, 7:26 am,
>
> > > Mechanisms,atty <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi all; Just thought I'd add another paper that has a mention of
> > > tinnitus: Biological Effects of Microwaves: Thermal and Nonthermal
> > > Mechanisms,
> > > By John Michael Williams found it on my way to exploring the physics
> > > of the situation.http://128.84.158.114/pdf/physics/0102007
>
> > > From the conclusion pg. 39, (which doesn't mention the tinnitus, but
> > > does mention in the paper)
> > > Bothersome or unhealthful effects of EMR within thermal safety limits
> > > have been demonstrated empirically and are supported theoretically.
> > > The microwave spectrum in certain bands, or under certain conditions,
> > > probably should be treated more like a pharmacist's shelf than the
> > > termperature knob on an oven.
> > > Decisions as to safety should be steered by persons more knowledgeable
> > > in medicine than has been the case in the past.
>
> > > It does make mention of tinnitus and the possibility of other high
> > > pitch frequencies that may have been mistaken for tinnitus.
> > > The paper did make me think of a different high pitch I've heard over
> > > my life time - it never stayed very long though.
>
> > > Just another human with another day
> > > Patty
>
> > > On May 9, 1:46 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Trev Are you inferring your tinnitus is known to come and go because
> > > > of blood pressure medicine???
>
> > > > On May 8, 2:47 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Tinnitus?
> > > > > It comes and goes with BP meds, for a starter.[Known for it]
> > > > > Also ,I've had 'it' years before Hum kicked in.
>
> > > > > As for victims- I object to the dysfunctional handle, rather than the
> > > > > true 'functional'.
>
> > > > > On May 8, 6:45 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > No it didn't sound like a case of blaming the victim just not
> > > > > > blaming
> > > > > > an industry
> > > > > > How can you be sure you actually have HF tinnitus when they are
> > > > > > admitting in this 2009 study that The pathophysiology is still
> > > > > > incompletely understood. ???
>
> > > > > > On May 7, 4:28 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Sounds like a case of blaming the victim!
> > > > > > > I suffer from HF tinnitus and never previously or recently
> > > > > > > thought it
> > > > > > > has anything to do with EM sensitivity,as such.
> > > > > > > They may well co-exist- that is something different!
> > > > > > > Recently , I travelled away some distance and the Hum stopped ,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > not the tinnitus- that's mine,
> > > > > > > The Hummmm is somebody elses....
>
> > > > > > > On May 7, 4:43 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > CONCLUSIONS: Our data indicate that tinnitus is associated with
> > > > > > > > subjective electromagnetic hypersensitivity.
>
> > > > > > > > PLoS One. 2009;4(3):e5026. Epub 2009 Mar 27
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19325894?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez...
>
> > > > > > > > Association of tinnitus and electromagnetic hypersensitivity:
> > > > > > > > hints
> > > > > > > > for a shared pathophysiology?
> > > > > > > > Landgrebe M, Frick U, Hauser S, Hajak G, Langguth B.
> > > > > > > > Department of Psychiatry, Psychosomatics, and Psychotherapy,
> > > > > > > > University of Regensburg, Regensburg, Germany.
> > > > > > > > [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > > BACKGROUND: Tinnitus is a frequent condition with high
> > > > > > > > morbidity and
> > > > > > > > impairment in quality of life. The pathophysiology is still
> > > > > > > > incompletely understood. Electromagnetic fields are discussed
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > involved in the multi-factorial pathogenesis of tinnitus, but
> > > > > > > > data
> > > > > > > > proofing this relationship are very limited. Potential health
> > > > > > > > hazards
> > > > > > > > of electromagnetic fields (EMF) have been under discussion for
> > > > > > > > long.
> > > > > > > > Especially, individuals claiming themselves to be
> > > > > > > > electromagnetic
> > > > > > > > hypersensitive suffer from a variety of unspecific symptoms,
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > they attribute to EMF-exposure. The aim of the study was to
> > > > > > > > elucidate
> > > > > > > > the relationship between EMF-exposure, electromagnetic
> > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus using a case-control design.
> > > > > > > > METHODOLOGY: Tinnitus occurrence and tinnitus severity were
> > > > > > > > assessed
> > > > > > > > by questionnaires in 89 electromagnetic hypersensitive patients
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > 107 controls matched for age-, gender, living surroundings and
> > > > > > > > workplace. Using a logistic regression approach, potential risk
> > > > > > > > factors for the development of tinnitus were evaluated.
> > > > > > > > FINDINGS:
> > > > > > > > Tinnitus was significantly more frequent in the electromagnetic
> > > > > > > > hypersensitive group (50.72% vs. 17.5%) whereas tinnitus
> > > > > > > > duration and
> > > > > > > > severity did not differ between groups. Electromagnetic
> > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus were independent risk factors for
> > > > > > > > sleep
> > > > > > > > disturbances.. However, measures of individual EMF-exposure
> > > > > > > > like e.g.
> > > > > > > > cell phone use did not show any association with tinnitus.
> > > > > > > > CONCLUSIONS: Our data indicate that tinnitus is associated with
> > > > > > > > subjective electromagnetic hypersensitivity. An individual
> > > > > > > > vulnerability probably due to an over activated cortical
> > > > > > > > distress
> > > > > > > > network seems to be responsible for, both, electromagnetic
> > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus. Hence, therapeutic efforts
> > > > > > > > should focus
> > > > > > > > on treatment strategies (e.g. cognitive behavioral therapy)
> > > > > > > > aiming at
> > > > > > > > normalizing this dysfunctional distress network.
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