Carol, Would you mind working with Fred on the wiki? You have made a lot of good suggestions.
The tension I am seeing is that Sugar Labs Veterans, who feel comfortable editing the wiki, are immune to the mess. People coming to the wiki for the first time say 'what a mess', but don't feel comfortable changing things. thanks david On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche <c...@msbit.com> wrote: > Sean, Wouldn't it be ok to merge "Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot" into > "Develop", and expand them when you get to the Develop page? > > Also, the language on the wiki home page makes it sound like communication > is done via the wiki. "The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes > together to develop and support the Sugar Learning Platform. " This isn't > really the case. IRC and mailing lists are far more useful places to "come > together". The wiki reflects community-generated documentation, it seems to > me. I have never (with one exception) had any response to something I > placed on the talk page on sugarlabs or olpc wiki, and it would be > frustrating for an unwary user to think there . Also, are the forums used? > It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make > the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> thanks Christian >> >> a related issue is our logo size and positioning which I would like to >> see left-justified (your suggestion of that for the press release was >> excellent) and... the Git size (bigger) rather than smaller, but i >> know you feel differently about that :-) >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt >> <schm...@pentagram.com> wrote: >> > Hi Sean >> > >> > >> > Thanks for initiating this. I generally agree with the goals to unify >> > the >> > site through a single navbar, but am also concerned about visual >> > complexity. >> > The more we can consolidate navigation items, the better. I'll start >> > exploring visual treatments with the goal to find something that would >> > work >> > across all sites. That said, it may still be sensible to keep the intro >> > separate from the other sites, to direct people in a more focused way >> > towards only a few sections that we determine (as is currently the >> > case). >> > >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > >> > >> > On 3/26/09 5:41 PM, "Sean DALY" <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Here are some ideas for a harmonized navbar across our domains, for >> >> discussion and input please. >> >> >> >> By way of an anology, I would like that a visitor navigating between >> >> our welcoming reception area, our meeting room, our factory floor, our >> >> mailroom etc. always know where s/he is and how to get to another >> >> section and in particular the homepage: www.sugarlabs.org. >> >> >> >> I know that Christian wants to keep the navbar short in the intro >> >> section so it is unobtrusive... that Josh wants a friendly home for >> >> Activities not unlike Mozilla's addons... that our wiki mavens want >> >> their usual workspace without fuss and bother, that teachers need a >> >> super easy to use section, and so on. That said, I think we all want >> >> teachers, parents, funders, journalists, bug reporters, developers, >> >> and... , kids :-) to be able to visit and explore the richness of our >> >> site without getting lost. Because for them, there is "the Sugar Labs >> >> site" and not 9 separate sites. >> >> >> >> It is a measure of the labyrinthine nature of our site/sites that I >> >> discovered some sections today I hadn't suspected even existed, and >> >> these sections had no link to the main page or to each other. >> >> >> >> Linking our sections will raise the visibility of our site and its >> >> richness will show any visitor (as if there were a doubt) that our >> >> community is vibrant. >> >> >> >> So, here goes... let's start with the union of all the linked sections >> >> I can find for sugarlabs.org: >> >> >> >> Home >> >> Wiki >> >> Blog (or Planet) >> >> Lists >> >> Bugs >> >> Git >> >> Schools >> >> Activities >> >> Download >> >> People >> >> Donate >> >> API >> >> Buildbot >> >> Trees >> >> Indices >> >> Index >> >> Lounge (or Forums or Discussions) >> >> FAQ >> >> Press (or Contact) >> >> Register >> >> Help >> >> About >> >> Sitemap >> >> Login >> >> Search >> >> >> >> plus a missing one: >> >> Support/Feedback >> >> >> >> 26 candidates for a navbar! ...More complicated than I suspected. >> >> >> >> Some of these, in particular Search, are never identified as local to >> >> the section, sure to be confusing to the nontechnical visitor who just >> >> want to "search the Sugar Labs site". Not everyone knows the Google >> >> "site:sugarlabs.org" syntax :-) >> >> >> >> Others are on the same subject, but point to different places; for >> >> example, the Activities section of the intro is not yet well >> >> integrated with activities.sugarlabs.org and even points offsite, to >> >> the corresponding OLPC pages. >> >> >> >> I think we can agree that 25, or 20, or even 15 choices are too many. >> >> >> >> The traditional solution to this problem is two tiers: mouseover on >> >> the navbar reveals subchoices. >> >> >> >> The idea being to standardize a navbar like this at the top of every >> >> section, giving "random access" to any other section. >> >> >> >> For example, how about 9 main sections: >> >> >> >> *************************** >> >> Home >> >> >> >> Download >> >> >> >> Activities >> >> >> >> Schools >> >> >> >> Contributors >> >> Wiki / Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot / Translate / People / Planet >> >> >> >> Resources >> >> Documentation / FAQ / Mailing Lists / Community News / Index / Sitemap >> >> >> >> Search >> >> Wiki search / Bugs search / Schools search >> >> >> >> Contact >> >> Press / Forums / IRC / Support / Feedback >> >> >> >> Donate >> >> *************************** >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> Marketing Coordinator >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Simon Schampijer <si...@schampijer.de> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Walter Bender wrote: >> >>>> If it is not already, I think we need to add tabbed browsing as an >> >>>> important 0.86 feature. We can certainly change the behavior of >> >>>> www.sugarlabs.org, but we cannot change the behavior of the web. >> >>> >> >>> We can't? Doh - it is for the kids! :) >> >>> >> >>> Yes - we need it only for 0.84. Please file a 0.86 enhancement bug >> >>> about >> >>> the tabbed browsing. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Simon >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Marketing mailing list >> >>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >> >>> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Christian Marc Schmidt >> > >> > schm...@pentagram.com >> > >> > Pentagram Design, Inc. >> > 204 Fifth Avenue >> > New York, NY 10010 >> > 212/ 802 0248 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary > depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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