On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote: > Yes that would be very helpful I think
I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation. > If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames > over the weekend we will meet the deadline > > but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have > is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save for web" away. Regards, --Gary > thanks > > Sean > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt > <christianm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree with Eben's points below... >> >> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is >> describing? >> >> Christian >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com >>> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo >>>>> >>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>>>> >>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>>>> (travelling today) >>>>> >>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the >>>>> example >>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or >>>>> after >>>>> the Sugar spash page >>>> >>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that >>>> feels >>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from >>>> the >>>> UI. >>>> >>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads >>>> powerfully, and >>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could >>>> entertain >>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >>>> sugar logo. Thoughts? >>>> >>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >>>> >>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot >>>> just to >>>> find that info. >>>> >>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have >>>>> the >>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners >>>>> might not >>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about >>>>> versioning). We >>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running >>>>> v0..84 >>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we >>>>> hope) sow >>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... >>>>> aside >>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to >>>>> make >>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press >>>>> releases); >>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each >>>>> Activity) >>>>> is a key aspect of that. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time >>>>> (especially a >>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from >>>>> Apple? >>>> >>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. >>>> The >>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, >>>> which >>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design >>>> for >>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >>>> directly to the correct settings panel. >>>> >>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, >>>> removing >>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own >>>> modal >>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >>>> >>>> I would be fine with either approach. >>>> >>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the >>>>> screen; >>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX >>>>> version >>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the >>>>> Control >>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The >>>>> bottom bar >>>>> has room I think. >>>> >>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only >>>> be >>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information >>>> you >>>> want to carry with you all the time. >>>> >>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good >>>>> approach >>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>>>> >>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo >>>>> color >>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color >>>>> is the >>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >>>> >>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but >>> >>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually >>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome >>> idea. >>> >>> Eben >>> >>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >>>> releases (2 per year, on average). >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but >>>> won't >>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring >>>> the XO >>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of >>>> that >>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar >>>> logo >>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't >>>> seem >>>> fit within that concept. >>>> >>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go >>>> back >>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >>>> simple and clean and matches the UI. >>>> >>>> Eben >>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' >>>>>> metaphor for >>>>>> the >>>>>> growing ring. >>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise >>>>>> orange to >>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets >>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>> the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors >>>>>> that might >>>>>> come >>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog >>>>>> or >>>>>> digital >>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day >>>>>> ahead of >>>>>> them. >>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically >>>>>> on the >>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a >>>>>> home--a >>>>>> safe >>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. >>>>>> "Will I >>>>>> grow >>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the >>>>>>> 'About my >>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed >>>>>>> after >>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me >>>>>>> nervous about >>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic >>>>>>> guidelines' >>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for >>>>>>> me? Will I >>>>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a >>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing >>>>>>> the name >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a >>>>>>> gray >>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the >>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>> Home >>>>>>> view.) >>>>>>> Thanks everyone! --Fred >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I mostly like it. Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>>>>> 1. No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" >>>>>>>>> panel). >>>>>>>>> 2. Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) >>>>>>>>> to fit >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>>>>> 3. Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no >>>>>>>>> unfilled >>>>>>>>> place >>>>>>>>> holders). I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring >>>>>>>>> growing >>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the >>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>> burst. >>>>>>>>> Thank you! --Fred >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a >>>>>>>>>> "growing" >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>> >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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