On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:03, Martin Langhoff<martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Daniel., > > excellent post - skipping to the "let's make it deployable" part, I > have to say I agree with all you say. - Some comments below > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Daniel Drake<d...@laptop.org> wrote: >> Secondly, this just won't work for deployments in general. Deployments >> are really difficult. You don't have enough people, so everyone is > > Yes. I am looking now at all the barriers to a deployment team, and to > teachers in a crowded classroom. My mantra going forward is going to > be: > > - am I knocking down a barrier to deploymeny? > - am I simplifying teacher's life in the classroom? > - am I giving an average 6~8 year-old a better learning opportunity? > - am I significantly cutting the learning curve? > > If it's not in very concrete terms on that list, then skip to the next task > :-) > >> In many of these places it is really difficult to find >> people with the required computing skillsets, and even if they exist >> they aren't likely to accept the piddly salary offered by your >> cash-strapped NGO or govt organisation. > > Yes. > >> *really* challenging them (and sometimes, excluding them). > > Most of thetime - excluding them. > > ... >> Now moving onto some things more directly related to deployment >> experience. As I stated in my questions above, I'm not sure, but I'm >> really hoping that sugar is just as dedicated as it always was to >> provide a really really simple UI for 6 year old children. Everything >> is so much harder in a classroom, and every small problem encountered >> causes significant disruption. > > Yes. Even if 1 XO doesn't work or one child gets "lost" in a process, > it distracts ~4 users, because humans are social, and the chatter of > "won't work for me" stops progress. It only takes around 5% of users > having minor trouble to get 50% of the class distracted. > > And at that point you have to give up on the XOs and turn to the blackboard. > > Every little obstacle counts. > >> How about the first boot experience - typing in your name and choosing >> colours? (...) > > Sugar 0.84 makes that into every activity... it won't save unless you > give it a name for the document.
Just in case it isn't known, you don't really have to give a name, you can just click the Keep button or press the return key. > Can we disable that? Maybe not in the > official SoaS but can there be a knob somewhere to revert it? Entered a ticket about it: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1156 If you think this is important for deployments and make the case clear, there's good chances someone will volunteer to write a patch. Thanks, Tomeu >> We've all heard the problems of children deleting activities by now. >> I've also seen kids click the "disable wireless" box and then wonder >> why they can't get online. I think that this highlights 2 things -- > > That's been added for G1G1 and power user / developer userbase - > >> Simplifying the user experience is *key* -- sugar has already taken >> many leaps in this area, let's keep this as a high priority, and make >> sure that this is communicated. > > Can I propose Daniel for president? > > ... > >> Sugar is obviously geared to constructionist learning which is >> generally carried out differently from normal learning using books, > > Actually, having books is crucial for social constructionism too -- > read it as much as your curioisity drives you to, revisit it as often > as you like. And then do the social things you'll naturally do with > what you discovered... > > In short, listen to the man. > > > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep