On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:25, Caroline Meeks<solutiongr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 17:15, Nicco Eneidi<nbottice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Friday, August 7th, I presented Sugar to fifteen girls ages 10-13 who >> > were participants in the Rosie's Girls Summer Program. Rosie's Girls was >> > designed to build confidence in young female students and to introduce >> > them >> > to non traditional career paths that they may not otherwise have been >> > encouraged to explore on their own. >> > >> > The time I had with the students was limited (I had to beg my boss to >> > let me >> > get away for an hour from imaging computer labs in other schools) and >> > the >> > mobile laptop lab that we used had not had their batteries charged prior >> > so >> > we had to quickly steal extension cords from the janitors for power. The >> > camp was held at the local high school so most classrooms were >> > unavailable >> > and so we had to set up in the atrium. >> > >> > Using the atrium was a poor choice because it turned out to be a very >> > loud >> > room and for someone to hear you from fifteen feet away you almost have >> > to >> > yell; once you get a few giggly girls talking to each other it is near >> > impossible to understand anything. >> > >> > I introduced them to Turtle Art, Speak, and the Physics activities. >> > Again, >> > time was very limited so I wasn't able to go much into detail about >> > things >> > but they were able to spend some time on each activity. Unfortunately >> > the >> > network was down in the building and I wasn't able to bring my own wifi >> > router like I had planned. I think if we had been able to get online or >> > at >> > least on the network that some of the things we did would have been able >> > to >> > be expanded much better if they got to explore the collaborative aspects >> > of >> > Sugar. >> > >> > At the same time all three of the camp counselors had disappeared while >> > I >> > was presenting Sugar and I think part of the noise issue was because >> > they >> > had taken off and the students didn't really know me at all and so maybe >> > a >> > sort of "substitute teacher" energy was occuring which made the noise >> > issue >> > worse. >> > >> > Some students were into it and I think understood what was going on >> > while >> > others were fairly confused as to what they were supposed to be doing >> > and >> > why. I can imagine going from welding and working on engines one moment >> > to >> > playing with a new operating system the next can be somewhat confusing >> > and >> > not as exciting (Welding, sparks! fire!). >> > >> > At the end I explained how to to safely handle the flash drives and how >> > they >> > may be able to boot from them at home or other locations and they got to >> > keep the drives. >> > >> > Later one of the councelors came back to help me clean up and apparently >> > the >> > students were actually quite excited about Sugar and were all talking >> > about >> > it in the next classroom. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a kid is into >> > something and they may not show it to your face but later on it turns >> > out >> > they really enjoyed it. I'm still trying to learn how to pick up on >> > these >> > cues and what they mean. >> >> Congrats! >> >> > So, two questions about Sugar for possible future presentations: >> > >> > 1. Can Sugar be run in some sort of ad-hoc mode where laptops with wifi >> > can >> > connect directly to each other and create their own network without a >> > central AP/router? >> >> Yes, but this feature is scheduled to land in the next Sugar release >> in about 3 months. That said, you can preview this feature on Sugar >> 0.84 (Strawberry SoaS) by applying the patch linked from here: >> >> http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/ad-hoc-wireless-networks-in-sugar.html >> >> > 2. If all computers are connected to a network without internet access >> > is it >> > true that if you take out of the jabber server address in the settings >> > menu >> > that the computers on that section of the local network should see >> > eachother? If so, how well does this actually work? Is it reliable to >> > try it >> > with a group of students? >> >> Sugar can use mDNS to discover other machines _in the same network >> segment_. People get confused because the distinction between a >> network segment and the whole local network is not obvious to them. > > This is turning out to be a very important concept to explain to people. Does anyone know of any educational material that can help people understand this distinction and how to set up a network correctly. > We should put this information > here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration
How does Apple explain that a printer is seen only if in the same network segment? (or iChat or any other of their services that use mDNS). Regards, Tomeu >> >> This is the same underlying technology in Apple's Bonjour, so both >> should work in the same network environment. >> >> That said, we seem to have some reliability issues that are trying to >> track down: >> >> http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/928 >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >> > For more info about the camp you can check out their site: >> > www.rosiesgirls.org >> > Thank You! >> > -Nicco >> > >> > -- >> > Niccolo Botticelli Eneidi >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep