On 26.08.2009, at 17:42, David Farning wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michael Stone<mich...@laptop.org> > wrote: >> Tomeu, >>> Frankly Michael, the only way I can read these posts from you is >>> that >>> you are frustrated because we aren't churning more work, >>> regardless of >>> how much we have achieved that is relevant to OLPC deployments. >> >> Correct. >> >> I do not accept that work I have managed to do in the past is >> sufficient simply >> because it was the work that I was able to do. Instead, I form or >> disintegrate >> this acceptance with reference to three external measures: >> >> * absolute standards of quality, e.g. as formed by acceptance >> testing against >> written design goals or user experiences, >> >> * relative standards of quality as evidenced by the respect and >> participation >> of specific individuals whose judgment I trust and whose biases >> seem to me >> to control for some of my obvious biases, and >> >> * freeform standards of quality as evidenced by what other people >> have >> made from the work. >> >> I am therefore frustrated, for the reason you mention, because I >> believe that >> our work is achieves none of these standards of "good enough". >> >> (Unsurprisingly, I'm frustrated for some other reasons too, but >> that's neither >> here nor there.) >> >>> Do you have any actionable ideas about how to work better for our >>> users? >> >> I perceive a double bind: I have lots of ideas, but ideas are cheap >> and seem >> most unwelcome here -- they're just "talk" instead of "do", aren't >> they? >> >> Michael >> >> P.S - Maybe a reasonable compromise on the double bind would be for >> me to share >> a small number of ideas, or to share as many ideas fit into a fixed >> duration >> conversation in a different medium? > > An effective way to become a respected member of on open source > community is to start with small ideas and implement them. If the > deliverable works, is useful, and meets coding standards it will be > accepted. A couple of iterations through this: > a: Produce improvements to the product. > b. Help the contributor earn the respect of the current community so > they will be encourage to participate and take on larger projects. > > That tends to open doors. > > Drive by ventings tend to shut them. > > david
I find dismissing Michael's points as "drive by venting" highly inappropriate. - Bert - _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep