On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:05:31PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Aleksey Lim <alsr...@member.fsf.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Background: > > > > Step in issue, sugar is not unique here, thats the problem for other > > FOSS projects as well. But sugar has it's own specific nature - sugar > > stimulates(at least should) doing not just using, our audience could > > have additional layers - teachers for examples. Projects like sugar > > also unique because it's not only about producing final product but > > about improving basic things - education here. So, many people could > > want to participate to projects like sugar even if they are tacking > > part in other FOSS projects. Thus the critical thing for sugar is > > supporting casual participating. Participating not only by experienced > > developers but designers, casual doers etc. > > > > Someone could argue that it's about gaining critical mass of > > contributors and we didn't achieve this point yet. But what about > > achieving critical mass of targeted audience and even users of > > sugar(thanks to OLPC). > > > > For example what can do teacher somewhere in Uruguay if local needs > > requires some improvement in sugar, he can post en email to one of > > sugar related lists, ask someone on IRC but is it so friendly?(it's > > the same level of answers like "ask google"). What can do individual > > who needs some activity and going to pay for this activity > > development(during 0.86 cycle I got such request and had to bounce it > > since didn't have enough time). > > > > > > So, the question is should we have special place to treat such issues > > in convenient and casual developer/requester friendly manner. > > > > This collab.sugarlabs.org shouldn't be the only place to track all sugar > > users needs and of course any big deployment could have its own > > internal/external infrastructure. But having one place where every sugar > > users can look by default could useful. > > > > One of benefits of such site is a chance to coordinate sugar development > > contributions from outsiders/casual-contributors etc. BTW looks like > > even for core team we don't have strong coordination, there is no > > regular meetings etc. With collab.sl.o we at least can see what > > particular contributor is doing right now. > > > > Another benefit is that collab.sl.o could be right place to sustain > > developers by paying for implementing particular feature or having > > donation button like AMO does. > > > > -- > > > > This email was subjected by [POLL] to not loss this thread and since > > this question could be very arguable in details, lets split it to > > several stages, one for poll of necessity for this feature at all and > > next(if first stage will be accepted) for discussing details. > > > > Please attach +/- to your reply. > > > > -- > > > > +1 > > > > -- > > Aleksey > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > +1 as I am very sympathetic to you intentions. However, I worry that > yet-another website might not be the solution. We have several places > where we are already try to gather user needs and feedback (e.g., the > Sur list, IAEP list, > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Submit_Bugs/Problems, > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Request_New_Features, > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Resources/Professional_services, > etc.). How will this site be different/effective/unifying?
yeah, at the end my concern wasn't about creating new site but about issue I'm facing(and guess not only me) - tracking needs, and this issue can't be fixed effectively(but can somehow) in existed env. So, details could be task for second poll round, but maybe we need to * call for mockups(not in tech details but to see regular workflows) for collab.sl.o/reorganizing-existed-env * schedule meeting to select more reasonable scenarios * announce 2nd poll ? -- Aleksey _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep