Thanks I appreciate your point of view. Harriet
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ian Thomson <i...@spc.int> wrote: > To be honest, I think it is poor list serve etiquette. > > I think making IAEP a catch all is bad thinking. It encourages people to > use IAEP for everything. > > The particular thread stated out discussing Windows for XO3 which is a > relevant topic for IAEP. > If we all step in when we see irrelevant topics developing under IAEP and > push them to appropriate lists, then we should be able to self manage this > without the need for more list serves. > > Ian Thomson > PacRICS and OLPC Coordinator > SPC > Phone +687 26 01 44 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fors...@ozonline.com.au [mailto:fors...@ozonline.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:57 AM > To: Ian Thomson > Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] OLPC rules out Windows for XO-3 > > Ian > > Do you think that the solution is to create a new and more narrow list > which meets the needs of deployers and teachers or to narrow the scope of > IAEP and moderate it to keep it within scope? > > My understanding if IAEP is thats its a "catch all", if you only follow one > list, its the one to follow to keep across all issues. I cannot recall a > moderator stopping a thread. Does it need to be moderated to keep it within > "A discussion list for Sugar and the learning theories that it espouses"? > > The issues with starting a more aggressively moderated deployers and > teachers list is that its one more list to monitor and that it might never > get critical mass. > > Tony > > > > Guys, > > > > I have been an avid follower of IAEP for over a year now. I was, and > still am, very attracted to the theme of the list serve. > > > > But I find increasingly, I delete 90% of the emails as they hold no > interest to me as a regional coordinator of OLPC projects in the Pacific > Islands. > > > > I am sorry, but this stream of ARM processors and SCIM/M17N/IBus/etc > holds no interest to me and I really can't see how it adds value to the IAEP > theme. I find the list serve has been taken over by technical developers and > it is no longer helpful in delivering educational information to me. > > > > I guess I must be having a bad morning, but this time I just had to make > a comment. > > > > Ian Thomson > > PacRICS and OLPC Coordinator > > SPC > > Phone +687 26 01 44 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto: > iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Sayamindu Dasgupta > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:35 AM > > To: Peter Robinson > > Cc: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero; marketing; b...@alum.mit.edu; iaep > > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] OLPC rules out Windows for XO-3 > > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta < > sayami...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Chris Ball <c...@laptop.org> wrote: > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>>  > Linux has been running well on ARM for a long long time. > > >>>> > > >>>> Yeah.  In specific, today I got Sugar running on the ARM SoC we'll > be > > >>>> using for XO-1.75 and XO-3, and it didn't require any porting at > all. > > >>>> It would have happened yesterday, but I had to work out how to get > > >>>> past the Sugar intro/login screen without a keyboard.  :-) > > >>> > > >>> That's cool! A couple of questions.... > > >>> > > >>> What's the plan for the boot loader, is it planned to use OF still > and > > >>> port it to the ARM platform or is it planned to use one of the more > > >>> mainline ARM bootloaders such as uboot or the like. > > >>> > > >>> Also what's the plan with the virtual keyboard support in sugar. It > > >>> might be worth looking at the MeeGo/Moblin based VKB stuff as a > basis. > > >>> Its skinnable and supported various inputs via scim and integrates > > >>> with that. Let me know if you need more info as I've been packaging > > >>> some of this up in Fedora as part of my work with the aforementioned > > >>> UIs in Fedora. > > >>> > > >> > > >> At one point I had tried to evaluate the possible virtual/on-screen > > >> keyboards that could be used for Sugar, and at that time it looked > > >> like each used their own keyboard layout data format. Something which > > >> leverages existing mechanisms like SCIM/M17N/IBus/etc would certainly > > >> be an improvement. Could you point me to the source code repo of VKB - > > >> I would love to take a look. > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is the the best current upstream because of the > > > changes in the Moblin/MeeGo side of things but the git here is > > > relatively recent > > > > > > fvkbd is the actual virtual keyboard. This is also in Fedora. > > > http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/fvkbd/ > > > > > > scim-panel-vkb-gtk is the scim overlay stuff. It will be in Fedora 14 > > > and likely pushed back to F-12/F13. > > > http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/scim-panel-vkb-gtk/ > > > > > > > Thanks for the links. This also seems to use its own data format¹ for > > defining the keyboards, but it looks like it is much more > > mature/flexible than the other options I have seen so far. > > > > FWIW, I had written a tool² which could parse XKB layout definitions > > (symbol files) and produce the corresponding SCIM layouts, and I have > > used it to generate OFW keytables as well³. I think that this tool > > (with some modifications) will be able to migrate our existing > > keyboard layouts to the format required by fvkbd. > > > > Thanks, > > Sayamindu > > > > > > [1] http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/fvkbd/tree/layout > > [2] http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/sayamindu/xkb2scim/ > > [3] http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/xkb2ofw/ > > > > -- > > Sayamindu Dasgupta > > [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line > > see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning > > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >
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