Edward, Sure thing. The citation for the dissertation would be: Ardito, G. (2010). The shape of disruption: xo laptops in the fifth grade classroom (Doctoral dissertation). Available from Pace University.
I hope my work will be of some service to your projects. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do. Best, Gerald On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Edward Cherlin <echer...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we add your dissertation to the Bibliography? > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 19:31, Dr. Gerald Ardito > <gerald.ard...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Alan, > > > > First, I just want to clarify that I meant "challenged" in a positive > way. > > The 5th graders dove into Etoys first through painting, and then through > > scripting. However, I agree with what you say about artifacts of a > > pedagogical approach. We saw this, too. > > > > Our learning situation involved 4-6 student "experts" with whom I spent > time > > showing them the key elements of Etoys needed to begin the project. Then, > > when we introduced this project to larger class, these "experts" were > free > > to move around the room helping other students. > > This is excellent information. I need to see how to integrate what you > have found with my work on Discovery and The Undiscoverable. My notion > had been to work out the constraints between Sugar features, and then > a sequence of topics that would allow teachers to introduce one or two > features per lesson. Your work may allow us to speed up the process > considerably. > > > We found this model to be a good one for generating a very productive > > classroom environment with the XOs (in fact, it was the topic of my > > dissertation which I completed last May). However, I wished we had spent > > more time with the scripting piece. We had not developed those skills > > enough. > > > > Thanks. > > Gerald > > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> I'd be curious to hear what the process is with the 5th graders. These > >> were our main subjects. We worked only through regular classroom > teachers > >> (who had been carefully coached). You will not see any "challenged" 5th > >> graders if you use a one on one session with them for about 20-30 > minutes. > >> The best way to do this is to teach a few this way, and then use "a > >> spreading wave" of one on ones. We found that this was much better with > both > >> children and adults than to try to teach all of them in mass. > >> > >> So you might be seeing artifacts of pedagogical approach here (and a lot > >> of "challenged" students result from such artifacts). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Dr. Gerald Ardito <gerald.ard...@gmail.com> > >> To: Caroline Meeks <carol...@solutiongrove.com> > >> Cc: Cherry Withers <cwith...@ekindling.org>; danielgast...@yahoo.com.ar > ; > >> Tim McNamara <paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz>; Steve Thomas > >> <stevesar...@gmail.com>; iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org> > >> Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 2:29:57 PM > >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy? > >> > >> Caroline, > >> > >> You are remembering well. And I agree with your hypothesis. > >> > >> The 5th graders took pretty well to Etoys. It is the drawing piece that > >> hooks them, and then the scripting part that really challenges them. And > the > >> 7th and 8th graders love Scratch. It is interesting to me because they > also > >> do plenty of "painting" of sprites and backgrounds, but something about > the > >> bricks seems to match their thinking process. > >> > >> I am getting ready to introduce my current 7th grade classes to Scratch > >> and am looking forward to that. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Gerald > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Caroline Meeks > >> <carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Gerald did some interesting work last year introducing both Scratch and > >>> eToys to 5th and 8th graders. > >>> Gerald please correct me if I am misremembering. > >>> I think the results were the 8th graders took to Scratch more and the > 5th > >>> graders took to eToys more. > >>> Our hypothesis is that the first thing you do with eToys in draw and > that > >>> is very accessible to 5th graders. They can engage with the system > before > >>> they have to start understanding programming. > >>> On the other hand 8th graders were directly ready to engage with > >>> programming and had a easier/faster time picking that up with Scratch. > >>> This is very much a hypothesis, not proven and not based on much data > but > >>> it would be interesting to explore further. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Edward Cherlin <echer...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> OK, I'll send it to you separately. Anybody else is still welcome to > >>>> join in. > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 20:47, Steve Thomas <stevesar...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Edward, > >>>> > Thanks, please send me the outline and what you think needs to be > more > >>>> > "easily discoverable" and I will work on it. > >>>> > Stephen > >>>> > > >>>> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Edward Cherlin <echer...@gmail.com > > > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> It is true that you can do all of these things in EToys, if you > know > >>>> >> where to start. It is also true that the start screen of EToys > could > >>>> >> be improved by providing a path to each of them, and to other > >>>> >> education modules, and Etoys could be improved with a few more > >>>> >> introductory modules. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Since children and untrained teachers cannot be expected to > discover > >>>> >> these paths, and paths in other Activities, on their own, I am in > the > >>>> >> middle of writing a guide to Discovery on the XO. The starting > point > >>>> >> is my Wiki page, > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick > >>>> >> The undiscoverable is an unofficial FAQ for tips, tricks, and > >>>> >> solutions to common problems that may otherwise be tricky to find. > >>>> >> These are being considered for inclusion in the official SoaS > >>>> >> documentation. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> The Etoys section needs vast expansion. I have an outline in mind, > >>>> >> which I can share with anybody who would like to work on it. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 15:59, Tim McNamara > >>>> >> <paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz> > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> > The analogy doesn't quite fit, as it's possible to do complex > >>>> >> > things in > >>>> >> > all > >>>> >> > of those tools and it's easy to do simple things in EToys. Each > >>>> >> > Activity > >>>> >> > can > >>>> >> > be used in this learning model, e.g. training wheels to > motorbike. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > Tim > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > On 25 September 2010 05:48, Cherry Withers < > cwith...@ekindling.org> > >>>> >> > wrote: > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> And Scratch? ... don't remember where I read it, but it sounded > >>>> >> >> logical > >>>> >> >> to me. > >>>> >> >> Use progressively difficult tools for progressively difficult > >>>> >> >> tasks. > >>>> >> >> To confirm this statement, I add the phrase: "Visible learning, > >>>> >> >> invisible > >>>> >> >> technology". > >>>> >> >> Children would first learn TurtleArt. > >>>> >> >> When they outgrow it switch to Scratch. > >>>> >> >> When all its possibilities are exhausted, continue with eToys. > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>>> >> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin > >>>> >> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. > >>>> >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. > >>>> >> http://www.earthtreasury.org/ > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>>> >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin > >>>> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. > >>>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. > >>>> http://www.earthtreasury.org/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Caroline Meeks > >>> Solution Grove > >>> carol...@solutiongrove.com > >>> > >>> 617-500-3488 - Office > >>> 505-213-3268 - Fax > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > -- > Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin > Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. > http://www.earthtreasury.org/ >
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