On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:21 PM, ana.cichero <ana.cich...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Christoph Derndorfer > <e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: >> >> Am 15.06.2011 18:12, schrieb Walter Bender: >> > All of that said, let me repeat an argument I made regarding the Sugar >> > Journal during the EduJam summit last month: we developed the Journal >> > not because we wanted to be incompatible with the rest of the world >> > but because we wanted to address some pedagogical needs. Specifically, >> > we want the children to have a place to reflect upon their work. The >> > Journal is their portfolio. Reflection requires effort and some >> > developers consider the prompts to write in the Journal as an >> > annoyance. But when I ask those same developers if they think adding a >> > commit message to their commits in git, they immediately understand >> > the value. So some of the annoyance of the Journal is because we have >> > not completely solved the UI issues (the good news is that Simon has >> > some patches landing that fix some of these issues) but some of the >> > annoyance is because we want to make the path of least resistance be >> > one where the children are prompted to be reflective-- to write in >> > their "lab notebooks" about what they are doing and why and to make >> > presentations to their teachers, parents, and fellow students about >> > their work. (The latter is facilitated by the new Portfolio activity.) >> > >> > In any case, concrete feedback and criticism is welcome. Thanks. > > Not time no to follow this so!! interesting topic, would like to point some > suggestions.
Great to get some concrete proposals!! To give context to my feedback, please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal as an example of what we have been aspiring to in terms of the Journal UI. > > To have visible one entrance per Activity -just the last one. Not sure what the goal is here. In some sense, this is what you get from the Home View by default: direct access to the most recent instance of each activity. How would this be different? > > To get to the second last entrance of the same Activity, (let s say to the > last 5) in an "older Journal" or kind of second screen, ( like facebook > does, or a blog) . The rest of the thing just accessibles by tags or > conscious backup in an external media. Again, how will this differ from the Home View hover menu? But interesting that you bring up Facebook, because the designs I referred to above are inspired by Facebook. There is a new tagging system under development that may accomplish some of what you are describing, if I understand correctly. > > [OT] Sell and buy pendrives and cards ( I live in uruguay where sd cards are > not expensive, nevertheless you go to a local shop and they don t even know > what to sell to a ceibalita and we have around 1,5 laptop per person) > > Let each Activity dialogue with Journal it s own way. It seems clear that an > activity used for writing or drawing needs 10 times more space in Journal > than one like Firefox, or any player or game. The way I interpret this is in terms of how the activity is shown in the Journal. (Activities currently can write whatever they want into the datastore -- in that sense it is not one size fits all.) I have always been a bit uncomfortable with the distinction made between the main Journal view and the detail view. This is where I think Facebook really shines: the details are all there.. most recent entries and details always visible and more available in an in-situ expanded entry. And that entry is different depending upon the datatype. (E.g., images expand into photobooks with captions and tags.) I'd love to see us head in that direction. > > Make an alternative browsing for elder people that feel uncomfortable with > the Journal. In other case Sugar is facing the non understanding that makes > it look taxative and fortuite. I think I grok your intention here, but I don't understand the details. Are you proposing a more traditional file-browser for the Journal as an alternative view? Not sure how we'd manage a traditional hierarchical view, since we have no hierarchy. I suppose we could do something where we build a hierarchy based on something such as creation date, so you'd browse through a series of folders: ./2011/06/16 > > ((I always thought that porfolio was the magic word for understanding > Journal... > It is known in Uruguay as as an "evaluation techinque" - i chose Portfolio > for my final work in "Evaluation of Education" at the 3erd year regular > course of the Uruguayan Professors Institute. I think primary teachers study > exactly the same it is not difficult to find experts on that technique.)) > > "TÉCNICA DE PORTAFOLIO" is then the translation of the idea to our > teacher's book and the spanish term was not mentioned that before. > > My opinions: > Kids dont care about keeping everything. The concept is to mind more about > the doing and less about the done. You focus on the process ( nothing that > teachers haven t read before) But we do want kids to establish certain disciplines. But they need to see the value as well... > The machine is then just a place to interact with Activitys and other kids. > It is not a PC and xo_s are not isolated from grown up or adminstrators > machines or other kind of backup ( internet conection or cards) > Sugar is nice, is strong and extremely simple > > (Collaboration is a key issue. Other is the using the ubuntu teacher' s > laptop as a server of the pupil' s xo_s ) I think some of the simple extensions we are working on such as being able to mount $HOME/Documents and perhaps some directory on the School Server or in the Cloud will make a big difference to teachers. We'll have to get some field testing in on this -- the patches are by-and-large finished. > > > > -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep