On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But there are good materials for learning Etoys, especially in Spanish, > and especially for teachers. > What Spanish materials exist? > > The last part I don't agree with because it contains a misconception about > how to teach Etoys, and especially programming, to children and adults. > Thanks for reminding me that alternatives exist. That's what I was trying to get at with the vague "different models would work differently" but going into specific details, based on experience, is much more helpful and promising. > > It is not used nearly enough (many pro teachers feel a loss of authority, > and that is more important to them that in how well the children are > learning). > Yes, we are talking about how to teach children but the real problem is teaching adults to give up control and certainty. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote: > I am not sure about how this could be accomplished where after-school > programs are not feasible. At some of the schools I support, the teachers > and students live too far from the school to stay after the normal day is > over > Thanks for reminding us about the other kinds of obstacles to implementing these programs. > > On 03/05/2015 08:18 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 12:13:46 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Alan Kay<alan.n...@yahoo.com> >> To: Sora Edwards-Thro<s...@unleashkids.org>, Gonzalo Odiard >> <godi...@sugarlabs.org> >> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs<iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Tim Falconer >> <timo...@immuexa.com>, "support-g...@laptop.org" >> <support-g...@laptop.org> >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction >> Message-ID: >> <1578652867.4886132.1425557626158.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi >> >> I agree with your first paragraph (although I don't know of really >> discoverable programming systems -- even Scratch has lots of conventions >> that are hard to discover). But I do agree that 5-10% of an population is >> better matched up to a given topic, and that the rest need more help of >> different kinds. >> But there are good materials for learning Etoys, especially in Spanish, >> and especially for teachers. >> >> The last part I don't agree with because it contains a misconception >> about how to teach Etoys, and especially programming, to children and >> adults. >> >> We found -- via many attempts -- that 1 on 1 -- then branching out -- >> works much much better than trying to teach a group. The "Drive a Car" >> project was invented to be the introduction, and it can be taught 1 on 1 in >> about 20 minutes. Now we have two teachers of "Drive a Car". Then 4 etc. It >> is worth taking the 100 minutes to carry this out. The reason for this >> approach is found in your first paragraph, and the key is the 1 on 1 which >> allows the time needed for specific learnings and questions about the >> project. >> Once a class has gotten going, then should eventually be the "first >> teachers" for the next class, and now the whole new class can be handled in >> ~30 minutes for the first exercise. This use of "peer teaching" works in >> other areas also, but it is particularly effective in technique learning. >> It is not used nearly enough (many pro teachers feel a loss of authority, >> and that is more important to them that in how well the children are >> learning). >> Cheers >> Alan >> > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >
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