I had a chance to skim through the log of this meeting.
I believe the discussion overlooks a fundamental point. The XOs (and
particularly the XO-1s) are primarily deployed in
the developing world (Latin America and Africa). The schools have these
laptops as donations or as purchases by their
government. Schools, in general, do not have funds to replace computers.
They will just do without.
We must continue to provide an XO solution (including XO-1 which
represents a plurality of the machines shipped). It really doesn't
matter in choosing a computer supports the latest gtk or webkit2 when
the alternative is no computer at all. If we abandon support
for the XO, we present the user with static software which will continue
to work as long as the hardware survives. However, it will
not be able to take advantage of any new capability that Sugar Labs
develops.
I think we should recognize our obligation to support users of the XO as
long as they are in use. This will probably mean that we
need to split ASLO to identify Sugar activities that won't work on the
XO (and try to make as many new capabilities available for the
XO even if that means two versions).
Also, while I agree that supporting Chromebooks or other computers
generally available in the marketplace is a valuable direction, we need to
be cautious. Currently, computer manufacturers have a two-year product
life from announcement to end of production. They assume that
computers will be replaced after five years. Their interest is in
shortening these cycles. The smartphone folks seem to want this cycle to
be one
year and to take back the previous year's computer to get it off the market.
In this context, I think adopting a reference design or assuming that
older computers can be recycled will just repeat the issues with the XO.
Sugar has an interesting structure. There is Sugar (now being referred
to as a desktop which is ironic since the Sugar HIG were intended to
replace the desktop metaphor) and the Sugar activities. The real value
of Sugar is the library of activities (and the capabilities they offer
through Sugar features such as the Journal, Collaboration, and HIG).
Perhaps we could fork Sugar with a 0.106 baseline for the XO and a 0.110
baseline for other platforms. Then we could have ASLO represent which
activities work with each of the two versions.
Perhaps, we could call one version Sugar XO and the other Sugar desktop.
I am also struck by the reaction to the offer of 172 XO-1s on ebay. My
curiosity is to know the provenance of these XOs. They are clearly from a
deployment (charging racks). Where were they deployed? Why did the
deployment render them surplus? What has that deployment done instead?
If we can finance the purchase, we should certainly do it. Out of 172
units we could probably get 50% working. The spare parts can be very
helpful
to deployments still trying to keep an inventory of XO-1s working
(replace screens, keyboards, batteries, and so on).
Tony
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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:38:25 -0400
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On 14 June 2016 at 09:16, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
That color combination has been very widely copied, even today.
I think the amount of copying ought to be seen as a metrics of success
for a brand.
Sure, except it dilutes the brand.
I am asserting that this dilution is a positive outcome - in the age
of cheap social media and memes, brands don't have control as they did
in the age of expensive mass media; and per the medium is the message
and all that, the new media environment changes the value of the
outcomes. A brand that is not being diluted is stale, rigid, dying.
which is why I invested in the SL branded memory sticks
At the time everyone clamored for several, to be
distributed at conferences and such.
How much did you/we sell them for?
This was over six years ago, so I probably wouldn't recommend the same
supplier, better to start from scratch, especially since the payment to them
was delayed at the time - if they remember our small order, it may not be
fondly. The key criteria in my choice was that they were willing to do
several color variants in the tiny run of 100 sticks, as a favor if we would
bring subsequent business,
Cool :)
which in the end didn't happen.
Yikes - why not?
and had the beauty shots created at the time.
Where are these located? :)
wiki
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Booth_Banners
see for example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8117064.stm
Nice!!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:51:19 -0400
From: Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>
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Subject: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours
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Hi
There will be a Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in about 6 hours via
Google Hangouts:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c3qn7hksl71offj7jitkjb81aa4
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