On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor <hnay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all, > I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not > binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people to serve > in that role. > The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for enforcement. > I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a Response > Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that is created as the > need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed to by the persons in > dispute, and that both (or all) those in dispute agree to abide by the > Team's decision. Where should these Team members come from? -- All Sugar > Labs community members are potential Team members by default except for the > current SLOBs (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would > be drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by one or > more of the disputees, and selection continues until there are three. > It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think the need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of investigation and mediation that is not typical of the responsibilities given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman (and/or membership on a Response Team) requires a level of maturity and experience that would be hard to guarantee in your proposed approach. > > Your thoughts? > > cheers > Hilary > > ---Original Message--- > Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 08:35:40 -0500 > From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> > To: iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>, sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> > wrote: > > > [español abajo] > > > > Good day Sugar Labs members, > > > > As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman > > position on Sugar Labs. > > > > It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs > to > > shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has > > been suggested at least one female member). > > > > The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all Code > > of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community. > > > > > > Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of > > this new team. > > > > While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community to > resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a > committee: > (1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more > weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only > second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by > the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change > result in a different outcome? > (2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or more) > community members with Bert's standing within the community and > impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult. > > On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have a > committee rather than a single person. > > regards. > > -walter > > > > > Regards and blessings to all, > > > > [español] > > > > Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs, > > > > Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de > > Ombudsman en Sugar Labs. > > > > Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs > > forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar > > Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino). > > > > El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las > > solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de > > Sugar Labs. > > > > > > Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte > > de este nuevo equipo. > > > > Saludos y bendiciones para todos, > > > > > > Laura Victoria > > > --- > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D. > www.a2zed.us > Oakland CA > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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