Richard, On 2014/10/16 8:41, "Richard Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for this. > > You say below "this draft proposal was accepted by APNIC community as starting > point of further discussion, not the final proposal. Then we will continue the > discussion on this list until Nov." > > How, if at all, were the comments made in September on this mailing list taken > into account? While discussion for more details is on-going and more comments are welcome as Akinori mentioned in different thread, I could not find any support for your comment currently. When I used to participate in ITU-T SG13, Mr. Chae Sub Lee, the Chair, often used a joke which says, “Standardization is making everybody equally unhappy”. I love that joke and we can use it for consensus also. > > You say that the proposal has reached consensus in the APNIC community. But > please recall that the IANA transition proposal should have the consensus of > the global multi-stakeholder community, which is not quite the same thing. But, we are currently discussing outcomes from APNIC community in APNIC community, so our development process should be respected. > > I thought that this mailing list would be the method used to reach out beyond > the APNIC community. Is that correct? NO. The introductory text of this lists says as follows; >This new mailing list is for discussions on the proposals and desired outcomes from the APNIC community of the process to transition IANA away from the US Government. Obviously, “Reaching out beyond the APNIC community" is NOT included. Regards, Masato > > Best, > Richard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On >> Behalf Of Masato Yamanishi >> Sent: mercredi, 15. octobre 2014 23:45 >> To: Guru Acharya >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [IANAxfer@apnic] APNIC IANA Process - Status Update >> >> >> Guru, >> >> Firstly, I cannot copy and paste the transcript from some reason, let me >> refer videos of each session instead of copying the transcript. >> >> >> >> See inline my comment. >> >> >> Oct 15, 2014 9:44 AM、Guru Acharya <[email protected]> のメッセージ: >> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> This list (IANAxfer) created by APNIC to discuss the number community's >>> response to the ICG RFP has been absolutely silent for almost a month. I am >>> curious to know the current status of the process in the numbers community; >>> and if an alternate medium/list is now being used to discuss the >>> transition. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm also curious to know whether the APNIC staff proposal presented during >>> APNIC-38 has been accepted as the final proposal? >> >> >> >> As I mentinoed in AMM, this draft proposal was accepted by APNIC community >> as starting point of further discussion, not the final proposal. Then we >> will continue the discussion on this list until Nov. >> >> (See around 29:00 in AMM session 3 video >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8KHOi7C-x8) >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> I gather from the transcripts that the APNIC staff proposal was met with >>> silence during the conference - and that this silence was taken to be as >>> full consensus. >> >> >> >> We discussed it for 38.5mins (you can see it from 35:30 to 1:14:00 in the >> video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg2Kp6SRhQQ ), so I cannot understand >> why you call it "met with silence". >> >> Rather, we, APNIC community, had active and health discussion, and as a >> moderator, I am confident we could reach to enough level of consensus in >> APNIC community. >> >> Also, when I asked community views about second principle in draft proposal, >> Dean said very useful comment, so you cannot call it silence in that meaning >> too. (See at 1:15:00 in same video) >> >> Certainly, I didn't ask the consensus by show of hands nor voting, but this >> proposal is NOT a policy proposal for our number resources, so we have >> multiple ways to ask community's view, and I am also sure that the way I >> asked the consensus is fully accepted in APNIC community. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Masato Yamanishi >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> conference.apnic.net/data/38/20140917-1100-IANA-Stewardship-Transition.txt >>> <http://conference.apnic.net/data/38/20140917-1100-IANA-Stewardship-Transiti >>> on.txt> >>> >>> >>> >>> Further, how will the proposal be coordinated amongst the 5 RIRs at the NRO >>> level? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Acharya >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IANAxfer mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer
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