Hi,

Regarding item #3, i think, as almost all frameworks and stuff in
computing have, a hello world sample would be really nice. And for
this, i recommend that one that Larry had posted a while ago on the
list.

My 2 cents.

Cheers,
Daniel Silva. 

On 5/30/05, Roberto R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know there were a couple of replies to this email, but are we going to do
> something about this?  :-)
>  
>  Roberto
>  
>  (I suck at webdesign and usability, BTW...hehe)
> 
> On 5/23/05, Brandon Goodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > Rick Reumann sent this to me. I'm posting it here so we don't lose it.
> > I saw some suggestions here that are good. I'll comment on it later. 
> > Any other comments are welcome.
> > 
> > Brandon
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Wrote this fast, so I'm sure parts of it don't make sense:)
> > 
> > iBATIS web site suggestions 
> > 
> > Since iBATIS.com will more than likely be the first place a new person
> > to the technology will go to, I think it's most beneficial for the
> > inital presentation of information to aid the new iBATIS newbie. 
> > 
> > Currently when you to go iBATIS.com you are presented with 'news' on
> > the home page. Sure that's nice for those already keeping up with the
> > technology but it now becomes work for the new person to have to find 
> > out crucial information about iBATIS.
> > 
> > Here are my sugessions.
> > 
> > 1) Change the Home Page and provide link to "Home." Currently "news"
> > is the home page. I think the Home page should be there to describe 
> > iBATIS (above news provide the Home link and also make the main iBATIS
> > heading a link to home). Content on the Home page might be stuff
> > like...
> > 
> >     *  What is iBATIS? Elaborate on the info in the About section. 
> > Seems odd there is a large section on background, but there seems to
> > be so much more you can say about what iBATIS provides.
> >     *  What benefits are there to using iBATIS? ( no need to write
> > JDBC code, easy mapping to objects, can write regular SQL, caching, 
> > easy to use, etc)
> >     * Getting Started (this should also be a link on the left menu)
> > Topmost left menu: Home, Getting Started, News, Events, News Archive
> > 
> > 
> > (I know "Home" seems cheezy but it almost has become a standard. You 
> > could relabel it something like "Welcome" (ala Amazon) but people have
> > come to expect a way to get
> > back to the 'first page')
> > 
> > 2) Concerning the "getting started" link. I think iBATIS really needs 
> > this. I understand that iBATIS is really two seperate products, and
> > under each product under "Software" this is explained, but someone new
> > to iBATIS could benefit from a "getting started" link giving them some 
> > tips for what they might want to download (more than likely I'm
> > guessing most are initially coming for the Data Mapper). This getting
> > started link could also explain about looking at the good
> > documentation bla bla. 
> > 
> > 3) Example of code. I code of sworn on the older site, there was a
> > quick example showing an SQL map and how that would map to an object.
> > I think it's a good idea to show this on the web site. I don't think a 
> > new user should have to download the whole JPetStore app in order to
> > get a feel for how cool iBATIS is. Showing a couple code snippets
> > would be nice to really hook people and get them looking at the
> > documenation. 
> > 
> > 4) Not critical but under Resources, I'd love to see an HTML version
> > of the documentation. The PDF is great but it's somtimes a pain to
> > have to go to a PDF. It would be great if that PDF was in HTML and the
> > contents could be broken up into hyperlinks. Not sure how viable this
> > is, but it would be nice if that resources section on the left was
> > broken out right there into the links- FAQ, Documentation, wiki, Other
> > Resources, etc. Seems a bit awkward that The Project section has a 
> > break down of smaller links below it "team" "bylaws" etc yet the
> > Resources section doesn't. If anything, I'd flip this around. Most of
> > that Project information could be on one page vs small subsection 
> > links. If you are going to break the Project section out into smaller
> > subsections, then the Resources section should do the same. More
> > likely someone is going to want to quickly get to a FAQ or
> > Documenation then they are going to want to get to "Bylaws." 
> > 
> > 5) Under the Downloads documention section should the sections # SQL
> > Maps for Java, Developer Guide # SQL Maps for Java, Tutorial be
> > changed to DataMapper?
> > 
> > 6) The Downloads section is confusing. Since iBATIS is offering two 
> > products (Data Mapper and DAO shouldn't they be separate downloads? If
> > they aren't going to be separate I think it should be explained on
> > that page. I think a link to the "Gettting started" page should be 
> > provided there also. "If you aren't sure what you need to download
> > click 'getting started'"
> > 
> 
>

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