First, the security group is a management issue, not a technical one. All you 
need is a suitable signature and the security group has little to say. As you 
climb the ladder looking for that signature, just silently point to the IBM 
statement and keep a confused look in your eyes. Don't defend IBM. Don't accept 
a convoluted kludge solution because they are expensive, fragile, and don't 
really add any security value. Indeed, insertion of a Windows PC into any path 
inserts a security hole and they know it. 

As to the second: welcome to software support. Over my 30 odd years and 
hundreds of products, I don't recall any two being alike. Indeed, some vendors 
weren't consistent from iteration to iteration. That said, Internet delivery 
seems to be gaining popularity. 

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Software delivery via internet or tape

First off, our security group will not allow a direct FTP connection to IBM for 
internet delivery. So we have to perform the download to the PC and upload to 
the mainframe. Even that sometimes is blocked via the firewall.

But the thing that bothers us is that every vendor now has a different process 
for internet delivery. Instead of getting a tape and running the same 
pre-configured jobs to load the contents of the tape, each vendor has a 
completely different process for getting the product to us. At our ages, the 
less we have to remember between upgrades, the better.

Bill
MF Tech Support




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From: Barbara Nitz <nitz-...@gmx.net>
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46:46 AM
Subject: Software delivery via internet or tape

This is probably a bad time to enquire about it (as most of you are at Share), 
but here goes:

I read in the SOD:
"IBM plans to discontinue delivery of software on 3480, 3480 Compressed 
(3480C), and 3490E tape media. IBM recommends using Internet delivery when 
ordering your z/OS products or service which eliminates tape handling. If you 
must use physical delivery, you may continue to choose 3590 or 3592 tape 
media. Internet delivery is IBM's flagship delivery method; therefore, future 
software delivery enhancements will be focused on Internet delivery. "

Seeing how 'internet delivery' is the prefered method, how many of you are 
allowed to have a direct ftp connection to IBM? We certainly are NOT allowed 
to have that! So 'internet delivery' means downloading to a PC (provided there 
is enough space on the PC, and I don't even know if the 'toaster' - citrix 
clients - can download via ftp), then uploading to z/OS again, provided there 
is enough space there, too. Takes hours, is full of errors. How are others 
handling this?

Best regards, Barbara

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