>I will forgive him his SYS1.NUCLEUS jibe, since the rest of his post 
>makes it clear that he knows very well where the real problem lies.

Maybe I don't know. The only problem that I know of, and the reason that I 
created deferred LPA wait,was the question of how an application, starting 
after IPL, could know for sure that modules it needed to be in LPA (and 
that needed to come from a PDSE) were actually available to the 
application. Obviously for normal LPA, this is known because the IPL would 
not have gotten to the point of starting applications without normal LPA 
having been built. In practice, no one had complained about this, but it 
had bothered me, so perhaps the silent majority had been too silent and 
left it up to us to do what we thought needed doing.

>RAS problems with them at what I shall now call LPA-construction 
>time needed to be addressed.

I'm not sure, but perhaps John misconstrued what I was getting at. Having 
to have all the PDSE support code in common storage (and its data in the 
master address space) rather than in a separate address space is a RAS 
problem (and possibly a VSCR problem) that is not solvable without a 
massive restructure to allow multiple address spaces before LPA is built. 
That won't happen.. Yeah, you could conceive of the code living 
temporarily in master's private and then the "real copy" live in its own 
address space later, but that isn't going to happen either. This simply 
comes back to the requirement: there is none. I was not referring to RAS 
problems with PDSEs which would be,an entirely different matter and would 
not need an LPA discussion to be brought forward. 

>I want to get rid of PDSs.
Want's are nice, but do not necessarily represent requirements. There is 
no reason why a lot of money should be spent to make this happen.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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