On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Chris Mason <chrisma...@belgacom.net>wrote:

> Sam - and John McKown
>
> > ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way.
>
> Checking the archives and as I recall, I was the only person who responded
> to
> the OP's OP. All the response did - since supposedly it was calling on "IMS
> experts" - was to mention that the IMS-L list was the place to find the
> greatest concentration of IMS experts - I expect.
>
> I assume you didn't mean this solitary post was funny - or maybe you did!
>
>
No not those responses.


> John
>
> In an earlier post or two you mentioned that "post recall" was a lost
> cause.
> What your list of reasons did *not* cover was the possibility that there
> had
> already been responses here in the IBM-MAIN list with the OP quoted in full
> as
> in fact there was one where it was - in all its shameful glory - whatever
> that
> was!
>
> -
>
> As others have noted, I wouldn't have bothered with this thread at all
> except
> that it seems to have been spinning along for such a long time. Of course,
> now that I am paying attention, I was able to see a reason to participate
> and
> spin it out even further:
>
> Does the question of the morality of removing posts extend to removing the
> responses to a removed post in which the removed post is quoted in full?
>
> Chris Mason
>
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:56:05 -0700, Sam Siegel <s...@pscsi.net> wrote:
>
> >Agree ... some of the responses to the OP's post were funny in a way.
> >
> >On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Fair enough.
> >>
> >> Not directly relevant to the morality issue but FWIW it occurs to me
> that
> >> the OP would have been in much better shape if he had written Darren
> >> privately. I was not even aware of the post until this brouhaha erupted,
> >> and
> >> then out of curiosity I went back and read it. Others are probably in
> the
> >> same boat.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Sam Siegel
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:56 PM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> >> Subject: Re: Deleting post
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > No, John said "no action that is *a fortiori ineffectual* can be
> >> immoral."
> >> > (Emphasis added.) In other words, if the action has little or no
> >> > effect, what's the harm? Darren has not erased the post from history,
> >> > only from a single archive.
> >> >
> >> > Charles
> >> >
> >>
> >> As a general statement (which is what John seems to be making) it does
> not
> >> take into account magnitude and nature of action.  In the specific case
> of
> >> Darren deleting the post the magnitude is low is and it is also of an
> >> uneventful nature.  One can make the argument an fortiori ineffectual
> >> attempt to rob someone (mild example here) is still immoral even if it
> was
> >> ineffectual.
>
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