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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Logan) writes:
> Sorry for the slightly off-topic question, but how come this persons posts
> are always so complicated to work through with all of the pieces and URL
> links? Is it the function of how they are posting (i.e. perhaps online with
> certain options), or is this a manual effort?
>
> I'm hoping to not spark a long debate. I'm hoping it's just a "one or the
> other" answer.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#63 How does ATTACH pass address of ECB 
to child?

some of it overlaps 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#27 Re-hosting IMB-MAIN

and some of it explained in these recent postings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#57
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#64

starting in the late 70s, i had been doing semi-automated discussion groups and
mailing lists on the internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#internalnet

which was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning
until approx the summer of '85.

then somebody packaged up about 300pgs of hardcopy of the discussions,
put them in 3ring tandem binders and sent them to everybody on the
executive committee (ceo, pres, senior vps). there was also a article in
datamation. i got blaimed for all of it.

the result was a whole lot of corporate churn and investigations into
this new phenonoma. part of results were internal tools deployed to
"officially" support electronic online discussion. major tool could
operate both in usenet kind of mode as well in mailing list kind of mode
simultaneously (end user could select the option).

as noted this was on the internal network and distinct from both
bitnet/earn

http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

... although the subsequent listserv on bitnet had some similarities the
internal tool.

for other topic drift ... old email from the person setting up
earn (in europe) looking for computer conferencing tools:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#email840320

as previously referenced listserv history not started until '86
in europe/earn:
http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history_listserv.asp

i have this old joke about in the early 70s, going over to paris to set
up a HONE clone (i.e. internal online computing system) ... misc. past posts
mentioning HONE
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

as part of the corporate EMEA hdqtrs move from ny to paris ...  and
having some difficulty reading my email back in the states.

one of the other outcomes was that there was a researcher paid to study
how i communicate ... they sat in the back of my office for nine months,
went to me to meetings, took notes on face-to-face, phone, and
electronic communication. they also had softcopy of all my incoming and
outgoing email as well as logs of all instant messages. the resulting
research was also used as a stanford phd thesis (joint with computer ai
and language) as well as subsequent papers and books. misc. past
posts related to computer mediated conversation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.htm#cmc

lots of past posts over the last dozen years or so discussing
compare&swap instruction and/or multiprocessor implementations
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

for slightly related drift as to references, URLs and posting technollgy
... again go back to early days at the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

not only did the compare&swap instruction originate at the science
center, but also virtual machine systems, a lot of interactive computing
facilities as well as the internal network technology.  one of the other
things that were invented at the science center was gml (letters chosen
for the first letter of the last names of the three people ... although
most people are more familiar with generalized markup language) in 1969.
gml has subsequently morphed into sgml, html, xml, etc.

reference to work at cern morphing sgml into html
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early

and reference to first webserver outside europe on the slac
vm system (cern sister location)
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml

for another reference there was this article in ibm systems mag. 3 years
ago .... although some of the details are slightly garbled:
http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/marchapril05/stoprun/10020p1.aspx

there is also old joke at share circa 1974 ... when cern presented a
paper about the results of a cms/tso bakeoff. the company couldn't
restrict customer copies of the report ... but internal copies were
marked confidential/restricted ... i.e. available on a need-to-know only
(wouldn't want to contaminate employees with detailed TSO vis-a-vis CMS
comparison).

in any case, i've been doing online for almost as long as i've been
using cp67 ... 40yrs this week when three people came out the last week
jan68 from the science center to install cp67 at the univ ... and a lot
of what i use/do predate many of the current facilities that didn't show
up until decades later.

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