Ricardo,
My responses below.
Regards,
Tom Conley
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From: "Ricardo Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...
So,
you really think that, if one is not north american, a US citzen, then
he/she has less skills??
I'm limiting my discussion to offshoring firms, about 99.99% of which are
based in India. Systems Programming cannot be taught in a classroom. For
every ounce of knowledge, you need a pound of experience. But people with
those pounds of experience don't charge $5-10/hr. They charge more like
$75-125/hr, or more. IBM's standard bill rate for systems programming in
the US is upwards of $250/hr, but their skills matrix puts a maximum of
about $60 in the system programmer's pocket. IBM here is becoming our worst
enemy. They decry the lack of mainframe skills on the one hand, then their
puchasing department drives people out of the marketplace with their
ridiculous skill matrix pricing.
I'm not sure of the standard of living in Brazil, but I'd bet that sysprogs
there make more than $5-10/hr.
I think of it as a xenophobic problem.
I'm not xenophobic. I am perturbed with the fiction that $10/hr talent with
no experience and a special H1B visa provides better value.
Actually, I realy think that, because of all the problems we have here
in Brazil, where I live (I can't comment about India, as I don't know)
such as lack of formal training or base education, we learned to study
by ourselves and for what I see here people are very competent.
I have been there in the US and talk to a friend of mine who lives
there see that the problem there is a bad circle: companies start to
out source because people stop studing IT, and people stop studing IT
because of the outsourcing.
People didn't stop studying IT, their management stopped encouraging their
education. Companies have cut back on training, college tuition
reimbursements, etc. Pressure to do the day to day job leaves no time to
try something new. God help you if you try something new and it goes wrong.
So most fulltime employees stick to what they know. That keeps them
employed and keeps food on the table.
I am not saying that we are better... I just want to say that it's
different.
Ricardo.
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