I don't know about the others on the list, but I am a tad tired of this and 
other rounds of sniping between Mr. Johnson and Mr. Mills.

I would sincerely appreciate it if both of you would tone it down by an order 
of magnitude or more, or even better take this particular line of discussion 
offline.  Responding angrily on any topic doesn't enlighten anyone.  It may be 
therapeutic but it is not appropriate.

I am certainly not a "list dominator" and I appreciate the technical 
discussions on this list including those contributed to by both of these 
gentlemen, and have been given (and occasionally have myself given) good advice 
on the practice of our profession.  I would really like that tradition to 
continue.

+1 on Tom Brennan's request to keep politics out of our exchanges.  There are 
plenty of other places for discussion or comments on those topics.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of 
Bill Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 8:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

The thing about you list dominators, is you think you know it all and should 
never be challenged. I love when the IBM experts corrects one of you.


On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 6:01 PM, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> wrote:

Exactly, and "that was not a real hack" would not get your data back.

Charles


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Tom Brennan
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 4:50 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

I'll repeat what I always say about this.  If I was hacking a mainframe I 
wouldn't start with the mainframe, I'd start with the sysprog or security 
admin's PC or Mac or email or phone or whatever.  In that case it doesn't 
matter one bit how well the mainframe is protected internally.

And please stop with the political remarks.  This seems to be the one place on 
earth I can go without reading about politics.  A place where I can enjoy a 50+ 
post back-and-forth between Seymour and Gil, for example, without hearing one 
word about US politics.





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