As an observer, I reckon IBM are forced to use OpenShift because they've got to 
get RedHat in there.
Also, since everyone knows the word Docker now, the Z "has to have it".
Surely the industry is now waking up to the mess that is the Kubernetes 
ecoystem mgmt., service MESS.

I do wonder... for those who thought setting up zOSMF RACF was painful, what 
their journey will be for zCX and OpenShift.
Just saying, "it's free because zIIP" doesn't make it good.
No Ferrari owner should be "compelled" to use a unicycle's wheel just because 
it's free.

IMHO, "Me too" solutions are seriously ruining the reputation of the Z with the 
ridiculous CPU, memory, storage requirements.
I thought it was ridiculous that RDz wanted a few gigabytes of memory for the 
JVM.
Rebadged oldware, with web stack & interface from early 2010s, are now coming 
to compete with Chrome, in their lust for memory and such.

- KB
------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, April 21st, 2022 at 4:22 AM, Tony Harminc <t...@harminc.net> wrote:


> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 18:00, Robert Garrett rob...@garrettfamily.us wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > It likes a LOT of real memory and it appears that the running instance 
> > consumes the full amount of real memory allocated to it for the duration, 
> > making it unavailable to zOS for paging or any other use. Don't believe the 
> > claim that it can run in as little
> > as 2GB. The experimental test instance that I built had 3GB allocated to it 
> > (the most I could give it on the LPAR I was using) and it took a full 15 
> > minutes (yes minutes) by the clock for the address space to initialize and 
> > reach the point where it was
> > functional - on every start up. Admittedly, this was on a zOS image that 
> > was being hosted under zVM at IBM Dallas, so I'm sure that had some impact.
>
>
> That smells like three levels of SIE, which to my understanding is
> never going to perform reasonably.
>
> Tony H.
>
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