If IBM really wanted the mainframe base to GROW rather than just continue to exist, they would have to make it an attractive platform for start-up companies. IBM relinquished that role too many decades ago. Small companies become big companies. Then they continue with technology that is already embedded. What size should a company be to consider re-writing everything for z/OS? Why would they do it?
Consider how many NEW companies use mainframes. There may be a few using Linux on z, but are there any using z/OS? I think the mainframe architecture has a future and so does z/OS. Does IBM? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: 18 June 2022 23:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS I believe the mainframe (and z/OS) will be here for a long time to come. But, I also think the smaller installations like mine are increasingly toast. The z/OS software charging models just don't work with the increasing minimum capacity of z machines. Sometime within the next 12 months, I am certain we will shut down our z/OS LPARs. When I came here for college in 1976, they were running what was described as loosely coupled 370s. People working here had stories of changing the wires to program the earlier machines and the CE talked about replacing tubes. Amdahl was here for a while, then back to IBM. A 3090-400J was replaced by a Mulitiprise 2003 and then a series of zmachines. The last onsite machine was a 10 year old z7. Late 2017, We migrated via lift'n'shift to a Mainframe as a Service installation. We never ported code to the new systems that have replaced the functions formerly performed on the mainframe. These were in-house developed (Primarily Adabas and Natural) and maintained. Adabas and Natural landed here late 70's/early 80's. Instead, the business functins wee moved to ERP and other "cloud" services. Student Systems moved (Peoplesoft) around 2007/2008. Financials (Workday) 2019/2020. I think discussions about ERPing became early this century, z/OS still runs to provide access to historic data. Most of which has been copied elsewhere for continued query. I've had a good run, but I doubt there are many jack of all z/OS, master of none positions in today's workplace. But, still many opportunities for working on the platform. > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 2:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with > IBM and AWS > > I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were > thinking. I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to > get off the mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code > running on it in the first place. Moving around broken code doesn't > automatically fix it. > > Get BlueMail for > Android<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bluemail.me__;!!JmPEgBY0H > MszNaDT!q2cAL9FdmjQNvdt44wrmdVt- > saMpYTGdrO8CZftdsWmconulL8zZ90AmhJb4w4FabEsteh1LXyxC2iGl7KXGsg$ > > > On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills > <charl...@mcn.org<mailto:charl...@mcn.org>> wrote: > > I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth > year of a three-year project to get off the mainframe. > > Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had > better duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] > dead" is near and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers. > > Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM > seems to be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend > seems to be bigger and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. > But it is hard to envision Bank of America balancing their checking > accounts every day on an array of Windows servers, in their datacenter > or in the cloud. My reading of the tea leaves -- I am not an insider > -- is that for a long time IBM was *saying* the mainframe was here to > stay but internally they did not believe it and were not making decisions on > that basis -- but I think that has now changed. > IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment > that will take more than 5 or more years to recoup. > > Welcome aboard! > > Charles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:56 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with > IBM and AWS > > As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of > "the mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies > running the mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read > about companies trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these > efforts end up succeeding? > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 12:04 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with > IBM and AWS > > Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey > 4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in. > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson > <00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called > it outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in > Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just > made it easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider > audience. > > Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are > like cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any > other platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented > technologies have guaranteed its place for decades to come. > > Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, > unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture > storage, emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't > show stoppers if they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As > Capital One found out and lost almost 200 million for the pleasure. > > I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be > perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some > idiot said the mainframe would be history circa 2000. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. > Where I live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant > chunks of their infrastructure to public cloud and have government > legislation to do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, > although like most sensible enterprises they have gone down the > multi-cloud route with Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in > one basket. > > It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing > catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ > head start. > > > Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have > decided cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like > attributing all CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed > $6.2B in cloud revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody > EVER says"cloud" and "IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, > those numbers are quite difficult to believe without this kind of > gameplaying. > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
