Steve Thompson's reply about lawyers got to me to look at this bit about 
auditors.  Do auditors ~ever~ shoot the survivors?  In my experience, both 
internal and external auditors report to management; it is management who 
decide whether to fix the problem or sign off on the risk.

I don't think I'm prejudiced in this.  My degree is in Accounting, but I have 
never worked in anything but computer jockery of various kinds.  Well, wait, on 
two occasions I worked a one-week IT audit, supplementing the audit team as a 
mainframe SME.  (Auditors generally understand networks, but are helpless on 
mainframes.)  But that's all.

Those two occasions do match what you say about running years-old procedures, 
though.  Although from what I can remember, the checklist on RACF security that 
they gave me to follow was fairly complete.

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--- On 2/9/2023 9:25 AM, Tom Longfellow wrote:
> ....my opinion of Auditors is pretty low.    They just come in.   Rerun 
> procedures and checks developed in the 70's and published in a book.   With 
> no regard for the real world functions of the systems.    And then they go to 
> the battlefield and "Shoot the survivors"

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