PKB. The fact that you don't understand something doesn't make it silly.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 8:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 03:22:06 AM PDT, Seymour J Metz > <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > I take it that you can't read. "I would have expected" is not a claim of fact. Your many expectations are too often silly wild ass guesses. More than once in this thread alone, you've spewed absolute non-sense that leads people down dead ends. You don't know your own limitations. I did not say your expectation is a claim of fact. "Devil in the details" really? It's me saying your expectations are not based on common sense or facts. Tony asked you what facts you were basing your expectations and you agreed with his guesses. I take it you can't figure out your own limitations. On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 03:22:06 AM PDT, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: I take it that you can't read. "I would have expected" is not a claim of fact. Or did you know that and choose to lie about it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 12:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:49:12 AM PDT, Tony Harminc > <t...@harminc.net> wrote: >>On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 17:25, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: >> I would have expected 1052-7, 3210 and 3215 support to die at the same time. > Is there any reason to think that there is/was separate code for these > three devices? IIRC their programming specs are identical, or very > close to identical. Obviously the hardware is quite different > (Selectric printer, dot-matrix), but the software generally doesn't > care about that kind of thing. Seymour constantly makes silly wild ass guesses and passes them off as fact. Use your common sense and knowledge about IBM. When IBM rewrote console services, they dropped typewriter console support. Deleting the HCD / IODF definitions for these obsolete devices is simpler than excluding these devices from the NIP address. We only know that HCD & IODF do not allow these devices to be defined. IBM does not change code unless it's necessary and only deletes non-functional code when they are already working on that module. As for removing the device support code, this code might also support the CONSOLE printer devices. Deletion of these modules is pure conjecture without any factual basis. On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:49:12 AM PDT, Tony Harminc <t...@harminc.net> wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 17:25, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > I would have expected 1052-7, 3210 and 3215 support to die at the same time. Is there any reason to think that there is/was separate code for these three devices? IIRC their programming specs are identical, or very close to identical. Obviously the hardware is quite different (Selectric printer, dot-matrix), but the software generally doesn't care about that kind of thing. Tony H. > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Allan Staller <00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> [...] > ISTR the some of the older "console" support was removed in the indicated > timeframe. E.g. 1052.... > I cannot say for certain that the 3215 code was removed at that time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
