However, on that page it says "These claims have not been accepted by the scientific community."
Also, in a part of the world prone to flooding, do we really need a rare event to explain a story about a flood? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Schwab [mike.a.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe They think the Burckle Crater, off Madagascar, was created by a meteor impact about 2860BCE and the tsunami and torrential downfall is the source of flooding legends around that time. Impacted SE coast of South America, South Africa, Somalia, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, South and West coast of Australia. The south coast of the Arabian peninsula is high cliffs so diverted water toward Iran, which also had high cliffs, so it got very high and went up the Gulf of Arabia, the Tigris and Euphates River Valleys, to the mountains of northern Iraq and Turkey, including Mt. Ararat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burckle_Crater On Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 21:04 David Spiegel < 00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi Bill, > You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of every species. .." > That is close to what the Bible says, but is inaccurate. > Please see GE 7:2 > (The verse says Noah was commanded to take 7 (possibly 14) of each > species of "clean" animals. (The Hebrew word טְּהוֹרָ֗ does not translate > to English. It is usually translated as clean, which although close is > incorrect.) > > Regards, > David > > On 2023-08-14 21:16, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Yes I do. > > > > It has also been seen as a depiction of nomadic conflict, the struggle > for land and resources (and divine favour) between nomadic herders and > sedentary farmers. The Academic theologian Joseph Blenkinsopp holds > that Cain and Abel are symbolic rather than real. > > And Noah never collected 2 of every species. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:12 PM, David Spiegel < > 00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > You said: "... Cain & Abel which is fictional. ..." > > Do you have proof for this assertion? > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > On 2023-08-14 20:02, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also > worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got into > IT because they were white and breathing. Many from the military. Ask 10 > posters here a question and you get 4-5 different answers and every poster > thinks his answer is absolute. There are literally thousands of mainframe > system programmers, yet the 20-30 here will swear because their tiny shop > eliminated the mainframe, mainframes are dying. Even when faced with facts > that say otherwise. Plus, the security on the platform is unmatched. > Hackers would love to be able to hack the mainframe since that’s where the > money is. Banks being the big one. > >> > >> I notice Bob Bridges listed these. “Did we learnanything from the > Korean conflict, from the American civil war, the 100 Years' war, the > Peloponnesian war, from Cain vs Abel?” > >> > >> I’m shocked Bob didn’t mention the Crusades. Where “pro life > Christians” massacred hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions over 200 > years. But did mention Cain & Abel which is fictional. > >> > >> > >> Retirement is wonderful. I no longer have to deal with coworkers who > can barely breathe and chew gum. > >> > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >> > >> > >> On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:37 PM, Wayne Bickerdike < > wayn...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> A bigger head beats a bigger mouth every time. Johnson by name Johnson > by > >> nature. > >> > >> Yeah, I found this on the internet too: > >> > >> Noun[edit > >> < > https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=johnson&action=edit§ion=4 > >] > >> > >> *johnson* (*plural* *johnsons > >> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/johnsons#English>*) > >> > >> 1. (slang <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#slang>) > Penis > >> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/penis>. quotations ▼synonym > ▲Synonyms: > >> *see* Thesaurus:penis < > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Thesaurus:penis> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:33 AM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things > >>> because they can be easily found on the internet? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson < > >>> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:17 PM, Wayne Bickerdike < > wayn...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer > >>>> Timothy > >>>>> Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the > original > >>>>> operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086 microprocessor in > >>>> 1980, > >>>>> initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which > was > >>>>> soon renamed 86-DOS. A year later, fledgling company Microsoft > >>>>> purchased exclusive rights to sell the system, renamed MS-DOS, to IBM > >>>> for > >>>>> their newly developed IBM-PC. IBM-compatible versions were marketed > as > >>>>> PC-DOS. Version 1.0 was released in 1981; additional upgraded > versions > >>>> kept > >>>>> pace with the rapidly evolving PC. Windows 95, introduced by > Microsoft > >>>> in > >>>>> 1995, incorporated MS-DOS 7.0 but ultimately superseded the MS-DOS > >>>>> platform. Starting with Windows NT, Microsoft’s operating systems > were > >>>>> designed independently of MS-DOS, though they were capable of running > >>>> some > >>>>> MS-DOS applications.* > >>>>> > >>>>> Facts but missing lots of pivotal events. No mention of Gary Kildall. > >>>>> Windows 2.0 was a brief look at a Windows O/S. Windows 3.0 preceded > WIN > >>>> 95 > >>>>> as did Windows 3.1. > >>>>> > >>>>> Really who cares? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:09 AM Jon Perryman <jperr...@pacbell.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:15:12 PM PDT, Grant Taylor > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> My hang up is that -- as I understand it -- DOS was /never/ IBM's > to > >>>>>> start with. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> DOS was /Microsoft's. > >>>>>> Again, if you want some insights, you can watch > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/Qc5khH5gllg?t=339 that seems to be the prevalent > >>>> story. > >>>>>> Is this different from the story as you understand it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. MS-DOS did not exist prior to IBM / Bill Gates meeting. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2. IBM wanted a new OS. IBM contractred Gates to create this OS > which > >>>> was > >>>>>> to be called PC DOS. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3. Because IBM was gun shy from anti-trust lawsuits, it chose to > >>>> exclude > >>>>>> ownership of PC DOS thus allowing PC-DOS to be sold as MS-DOS by > >>>> Microsoft. > >>>>>> Microsoft was not the sole owner of DOS. One piece of software was > >>>> owned > >>>>>> by IBM and Microsoft. It was IBM's choice not to retain sole > ownership > >>>> of > >>>>>> DOS. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Wayne V. Bickerdike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Wayne V. 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