Please Mr Z, don’t feed them! 

> On 14 Feb 2024, at 9:18 am, zMan 
> <0000059081901144-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> But that's not what you said. Make up your mind, Bill!
> 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:17 PM Dave Beagle <
> 00000525eaef6620-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
>> My point is quit relying on your employer to fund your retirement. I
>> worked at Packard Electric decades ago. Most of the white collar folks
>> there had their pensions transferred to the PBGC about 15-20 years ago.
>> Which cut their benefits to some tiny fraction of what they were promised.
>> They’ve been fighting to get what they deserve since then, unsuccessfully.
>> I never trusted my employers ever to keep their promises. That served me
>> well.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 2:27 PM, Doug Fuerst <d...@bkassociates.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> $22.5K if only you and $66K in you/employer is not enough?
>> 
>> https://www.investopedia.com/retirement/401k-contribution-limits/
>> 
>> Doug Fuerst
>> d...@bkassociates.net
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From "Wayne Bickerdike" <0000059234794979-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
>> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Date 2/13/2024 14:12:28 PM
>> Subject Re: IBM Reopens Its Frozen Pension Plan, Saving the Company
>> Millions
>> 
>>> Looks like they are reverting to a Defined Benefit scheme. I never
>> received
>>> anything from IBM after my employment with them in the 70's.
>>> 
>>> The 401K contribution limits are too low to ensure a comfortable
>>> retirement.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 5:38 AM zMan <
>>> 0000059081901144-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "The company has stopped making contributions to 401(k) accounts, and
>>>> instead gives workers cash credits in a new version of its old pension
>>>> plan."
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/business/ibm-pension-plan.html
>>>> (login required but surely will be elsewhere as well)
>>>> 
>>>> IBM plays more financial engineering games.
>>>> --
>>>> zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it"
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