And who remembers the famous "you're number 1" TSO 3270 program? I almost got fired for that one in 1985.
"Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." Bugs Bunny Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Friday, August 16th, 2024 at 12:33 PM, David Spiegel <00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi Lennie, > "... (in the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 > protocols. This was in the days before ISPF ..." > I Used ISPF's predecessor in the late '70s. (It was called SPF -- > Structured Programming Facility). > > Regards, > David > > On 2024-08-16 09:13, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: > > > Seymour, > > That is interesting. I was unaware the protocol had been externalised from > > IBM. I guess this absolves them of the responsibility of providing > > documentation as well. > > > > Phil asked what was the original posters requirement. Well years ago (in > > the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 protocols. This was > > in the days before ISPF and before the extended attribute support was > > available. I have been involved in such programs rarely since then, but > > have maintained some knowledge of the protocol. I have somewhere a "Green > > Book" which has all the tables and so on, but I have mislaid it. I had to > > make some changes to a VTAM USS table recently and was looking for the > > specifications for the control strings I could use. As I couldn't find my > > Green Book, I looked online and could not see where IBM had this documented. > > Hence my questions. > > > > The website that Sebastian found was really useful. > > > > Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. > > Lennie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion listibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu On Behalf Of > > Seymour J Metz > > Sent: 16 August 2024 12:56 > > To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: 3270 programming > > > > I would start with RFC 2355, TN3270 > > Enhancementshttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc2355/ > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion listibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu on behalf of > > Mike schwab000005962a42dc49-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2024 11:12 PM > > To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: 3270 programming > > > > https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic-skills?topic=terminal-3270-data-stream > > Specifically listed but no link, > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 7:45 PM Tom brennan...@tombrennansoftware.com wrote: > > > > > I don't think TN3270/TN3270E protocols are related to this manual. > > > They're basically just a layer used to pass the binary 3270 data > > > stream back and forth. > > > > > > But Lennie has a good point. I have a printed copy -05 from 1990 and > > > it's pretty beat up. I seem to remember it on an IBM doc site until > > > (guessing) 2005 or so, then it was suddenly gone. Maybe someone made > > > a mistake in removing it, because it's certainly required for anybody > > > who wants to code their own 3720 screens, or simply wants to know how > > > things work. > > > > > > On 8/15/2024 5:33 PM, Ken Bloom wrote: > > > > > > > 3270 is supported via tn3270 and tn3270E. That’s the protocol supported > > > > by IBM OSA or Visara CCA3074 etc. You can probably find some old coax > > > > manuals for native 3270. > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > Kenneth A. Bloom > > > > CEO > > > > Avenir Technologies Inc > > > > /d/b/a Visara International > > > > 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 > > > > bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com > > > > http://www.visara.com/http://www.visara.com/ > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2024, at 8:22 PM, Lennie bradshawlennie-brads...@outlook.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So if the protocol is still supported, and still used, and still a > > > > valid programming interface, why is there no current manual available > > > > from IBM documenting it? > > > > > > > > Lennie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion listibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu On > > > > Behalf Of Jay Maynard > > > > Sent: 15 August 2024 23:02 > > > > To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: 3270 programming > > > > > > > > I think IBM still supports 3270 access, if not the 3270s themselves. > > > > > > > > But if the data stream hasn't changed since the -7 manual was > > > > published, there's no need for an update... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:54 PM Paul Gilmartin > > > > 0000042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:16:15 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: > > > > > > > > There have been no updates. > > > > > > > > Does IBM continue to support the device? If not, there's little > > > > business case to provide user's manuals. > > > > > > > > Regardless, some documentation is necessary as long as IBM products > > > > depend on 3270 data streams. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > gil > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jay Maynard > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > > email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > > tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > > tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
