Thanks, Lizette!

I am aware of those lists, and you are right in saying that I should also post 
my question there.

Content-wise, I still do see the issue "somehow somewhere in-between" MVS and 
JES. I'm still not quite sure where to start looking and searching ...

Anyway, thanks a lot.

Further ideas are always welcome.

Regards

Karl       

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

Karl,
If you are not aware - there are also a JES2 and JES3 list.  If you would like 
to join, go to these URLs

JES2    http://listserv.vt.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jes2-l
JES3    http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/jes3-l.html

The biggest difference I see is that JES3 needs to know it owns resources 
before it will let things run.  JES2 does not.  That may be a consideration in 
trying to run JES3 under JES2


Lizette

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Henn, Karl
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:29 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary
> 
> Hello JES experts,
> 
> My practical experience with JES3 is near zero, or even <below> zero.
> 
> The software we develop rarely ever has to take into consideration the 
> differences between JES2 and JES3. I can remember only 3 such cases in 
> the past more than 15 years I have been working here. Every now and 
> then, though, it would be nice to be able to perform a quick test on a 
> JES3
system.
> However, I cannot spare an LPAR, and I do not have the time and the 
> resources to set up and maintain a z/OS JES3 system on a permanent basis.
> So, not surprisingly, my thoughts wandered off to the possibility of a 
> secondary JES; I had done that before, yet only with all JES2s.
> 
> 
> Frustration came quick: The JES3 to JES2 Migration Considerations 
> (SG24-
> 8083-00) on page 6 reads: "You can also define a JES3 as the primary 
> and
JES2
> as a secondary subsystem (however running JES2 and JES3 on the same 
> z/OS image is not currently supported, though there are no known 
> problems). If
> JES3 is running on a system, it must be the primary job entry subsystem.
You
> cannot run JES2 as the primary subsystem and JES3 as a secondary 
> subsystem.".
> 
> 
> My question; Does anybody know a - dirty? - trick to still do that, 
> run
JES2 as
> primary with JES3 as a secondary? What/Where is the ruse? I mean, it 
> works the other way around.
> 
> I'm not afraid of experimenting; I might possibly even find a test 
> LPAR
that I
> can <shred> on a weekend.
> 
> I'm looking forward to your suggestions.
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance.
> 
> Best Regards
>  
> Karl
> 
> 

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