What he said! -teD Original Message From: Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta) Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 19:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!
Vignesh, Until you have had your job (your way of life) ripped away from you, you cant get upset when folks get testy. Management loves to tell their bosses that we are going to Outsource IT....saving boat loads of money, but of course they will get a huge bonus once its Outsourced. Then they will disappear once there is a debris field of problems. Who's going to get them out of the ditch.....well those same folks that you either laid-off, forced to retire or if you are lucky, still work there. We know that Outsourced folks aren't as good as local staff....problem is Management doesn't see it that way. They see a Cobol programmer is a Cobol programmer....not a Cobol programmer with 40 years experience and 20-30 years on an application verses a Cobol programmer right out of school. Those 40 years of experience has shown me how to code a program or how to fix a problem.....unfortunately many times it's because we know what will NOT work. So, once we find a way or method of doing things, we stick with it....it's called experience. One of the reasons these guys and gals know soooo much about Z/oS Operating System is because they didn't start at Z/oS, many started back in the DOS/VS days. My opinion, Systems folks "had" to know a lot more about the Operating System then they do today. They didn't have all the fancy cool tools that say Candle or CA or BMC put out today. Many times, they had to roll up their sleeves and make Programming changes to the Operating System or to an Application in a ditch. >From an application side, there was no such thing as a job scheduler. >Scheduling jobs was a part of the Lead Operators job. Along with knowing what >jobs can run together....enough memory or what disk packs were mounted. When >was the last time you mounted disk packs each night ?? I used to do it all the >time....now, no one does it. I personally don't like Outsourcing at all. The joke is that, this can be done and no one will notice or there wont be "much" of a cost. How much cost is the Business willing to take ?? How much control are you willing to give up ?? Is it good business to have business in one Country, IT in another ?? Could be HUGE Customer Privacy or Business interests when IT is in a different Country. As a vendor, how do I know that my code will be safe in another Country ?? Sorry guys, off my box now....back to work. Thanks, Tom Savor -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! >No one's forcing you to Ed. But I'm guessing you're helping around here >because you love what you do, not because you >want to help "your people" >alone. >One can't learn a lot from equals, and one certainly can't learn a lot from >those who are (for the lack of a more sensitive >phrase) below them. >Sure, if this community doesn't want to help, that means workload mounts for >IBM in the form of a trillion more service >requests lol. >But those who are here to learn will find a way. - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN