Since we're baring our privates, I have to allow that we use CDT here for 
'serious' data transfers. It’s not just fast and reliable. It allows a transfer 
to be scheduled such that CDT will keep trying until it's successful. It also 
supports transfers between, say, z/OS and UNIX. CDT is a grownup production 
product.

For us, it's also available for one-off ad hoc transfers. It's also very $$$, 
so I would not recommend it for everyone. 

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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Ron Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 5:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: FTP on z/OS sucks

I do the same thing, but with TRSMAIN - especially with SMF.

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] FTP on z/OS sucks

All of this is why I default to the often disparaged XMIT/RECEIVE when going 
MVS to MVS. I can almost always get a data set moved that way in less time than 
it takes to (re)correct FTP syntax. XMIT/RECEIVE also works to/from z/VM RSCS.

If a file is really huge, FTP may look more attractive, but it would take a 
pretty monster file to push me directly to FTP. 



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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Elardus Engelbrecht
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 10:38 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: FTP on z/OS sucks

Tom Conley wrote:

>Try transferring a VB file to a VB file with a z/OS to z/OS transfer.

This is what I do. Pre-allocate your datasets, do your z/OS to z/OS FTP. 


>If you don't have a preallocated target, and you don't use a SITE command, 
>you'll get the defaults, usually FB80, hacking your VB255 file to bits. 

Indeed. What a real PITA. It also depends on how your FTP server [and 
possibility your TCP/IP stack too] is using whatever defaults were setup.

... oh, it also depends on your SMS setup.

So, if needed, pre-allocate your stuff, unless you want to have a Waterloo 
battle with your z/OS TCP/IP and SMS teams.

... then if your pre-allocated dataset DCB attributes are all different to your 
specific needs, but is migrated to ML2, then you are having great fun... (for 
wait for recall and observing a failed FTP...)


>Oh, and don't forget to type in MODE B and TYPE E or else your VB records are 
>just strung together.  

You do that after a lot of failed attempts. Ask me, I still have painful 
memories and unhealed scars of that...


>It's a freaking mess.  WAY too much manual intervention.

Shhhhh, you will make mainframe haters too happy. ;-)

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht


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