Sorry... I thought everyone would get that...

Brian

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com>
wrote:

> My first reaction to the ICKDSF INIT suggestion was that it was a joke.
> Like the story of the two hunters in the woods. One accidentally shoots the
> other. Panicky emergency call:
>
> "My friend has been shot. I think he's dead."
>
> "In order to take the right action, we need to know. Can you make sure
> he's dead?"
>
> Pause. BANG. "Yes, I'm sure he's dead."
>
> In other words, don't INIT a volume just to 'make sure' it's empty.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Allan Staller
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: (External):Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?
>
> yes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?
>
> Brian
>
> Would the INIT work if there was still a SYS1.VVDS or SYS1.VTOCIX still on
> the volume?
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Brian Fraser
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:45 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?
> >
> > Run ICKDSF with the INIT parameter.... then its verified empty   :)
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Edward Finnell <
> > 0000000248cce9f3-dmarc- requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > The problem is that if the from volume has a UCAT on it some updates
> > > may me missed in the time it takes to do the copy. Guess I'd start
> > > with an INIT'd volume then duplex to it. If successful break the
> > > duplex, make the secondary primary and reinit the old from volume.
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/26/2017 12:06:22 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > retired-mainfra...@q.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Once you verify that a volume is empty, you need some method to
> > > insure new datasets are not placed on it. SMS supports DISABLE NEW.
> > > The best I can think of for a non-SMS volume is to vary it offline
> > > until you are ready to do something with it.
> > >
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