I remember the 3310. IBM called them "piccolo" drives because of the noise the actuators made.
We received a bunch of these as replacements for faulty 3370s. That was back in 1981 when I was working at ICI Petrochemicals in the UK. The 3370s had a manufacturing fault that caused HDA failures. A good friend was an IBM CE and he told me that it was caused by contaminated lubricant. It only affected drives manufactured at the plant in Germany. US drives weren't affected. That was my first foray into DOS/VSE and FBA architecture. We were running on a 4331 box, it was tiny and we ran ADABAS and CICS with a bunch of batch programs that built a bill of materials reporting system. Batch runs took 24 + hours and the particular technique we used to drive the totals up the hierarchy destroyed those 3370s. (Lots of VSAM inserts and CI/CA splits). We optimised the solution by using ADABAS which did work better than VSAM at the time. Pretty sure that VSE/AF was a release too. On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:28 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > Thanks. I was really hoping for something that listed all of the players, > with dates. > > VSE/AF was an add-on DOS/VSE package, just as MVS/SE was an add-on, but I > don't recall anybody saying "I'm running OS/VS2 R3.7 with MVS/SE" or "I'm > running OS/VS2 R3.8 with MVS/SE" instead of the shorter "I'm running > MVS/SE" or "I'm running MVS/SE2". Likewise with VM/SE and VM/BSE. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf > of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: VSE timeline [was: RE: VSAM usage for ancient disk models] > > On this Wikipedia page, notes #44 and #45 lead to IBM z/VSE history pages > that may tell you what you want to know. > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Hxni8z1xE6vDmveRBopjI3Vzv4qg9 > VQ9eZGrH7t2axlv2TXRuKnDcewtJL-hrpi8jwK3-GxrA- > 2iIMOvZDRBBfUNxKH2YcS14FFnmmhJH8BilUDJ1_2fI_5ME- > 1hcCiY4dtKk8BTHa4OU6MfD7om1snenBWocvMGhl9GvOLU0_SOumoC5h-SVpLXZF_fC_ > aZLNzcOoQkWOHCDg6EhiG_kuy613a7e10fUIKzh-OapHJjXeZgVzPmkE1JIrW3eqtWAaxH > eHFBht9WMWu5HxrN0rT_G2I-jEIzGTcNKtmOQfe1k--Q0UIKlGX2P1YoZJPSn6SKoEFiqv9AD > qG0PB3IvtsFsaIpaeCFoMMwXzsHPbebyeNDS7pKAq0_bLLcvaHD8dg6P2PU_ > hyO9MaXHylVHJzPZYhoUg3Uqk6r93PuIyH8nr2wio5V00QSoeYBZEzu/ > https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHistory_of_IBM_ > mainframe_operating_systems#DOS/VS > > 1980's VSE history: https://secure-web.cisco.com/ > 1mhCrVwIL6XNHIiS5zTkFhpBby8bw8liiRCkscsxbarX123Dg5jOSVKmKsH7 > ad9EfIz7qIm2VVjm9Z7niqX7VrOYwox2dnKpLjSm1a4bqN28BrF0nUCxpLYq > EgyI9sWzR8x15GQT8mhNnr7iBxhHfQHD3hNKOYFygabIef1J9hcGY0ePFJPB > RCtLVtsFarc387G5z2gY2lEqN7e-2ZYPN7cE2fKe6SWiDdlMkdc6vKiZYN > dLbLrWHW0yzZ8YEjssi7Ek0bjZJYXIpSG6BW49F2LPvg9d6OTqa5tfdhgYcB > k7YHuD19oVd02c1GoZe_u-XB1Az7by4zHbAgG4hyQrDiY9- > mDz0RVkx2NKR7y4eptT43nCdIeuq0Jm0_sf_7B4A7TWWAR3E2Wbb7VuUC9b9O7KKRy > J1kve_TXVodmW6kovwAgZ_pDwmDDagNzWKgbKd/https%3A%2F% > 2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory1980s.html > > 1990's VSE history: https://secure-web.cisco.com/ > 1db5triiP9Ds00aTgPbxRFOmDUxC7BcMOtYsni3chH_xTYDM6Oh7- > 470gMWwkxX0MAM_Z3kJtt_3TMfyV6LtgguCau43dVKqo5c15wNS4 > Phz8J5hGLYOCphPa6Yr6yBekoeDHRBqKyuLjryQPwQ7-LMXfAUj- > IIph9kHUEeQtMM53xEVXtGRrZQCR4Z4bRcNTzPq3PJ1wJTD_ > jc0fbrg6zhbAs1sc5upKKbHaexk9SjlBDmUOMapCcAK9nc2WDoKgNac7IGwu > nTJx6TuB9GVM5Tr-Uxgor1Q-TNGIxBowgGDj44QcnDLn6360t_ > upTuYGF6x4lGqh3it7M0umpzf5gNvL7XuzX5mJTF1UrF3mhT7Xv8HTiCcD6S > nD4OdW0lMJjbccB91nrGhca_P-p8cxuB8Meuwfjd1MFNI9E3PhZWDyBx > rIDst-2WlYNpXNl-pn/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems% > 2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory1990s.html > > 2000's VSE History: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1YAJcM2hjsRtdB76Ykv4- > xfcVxX9mZBM-miQiMaWZiMyZ5CwcfGZERmXiCP6s_bRp0VbwtNPwnK_ > gUaUXgvL5MWfDfO2Fc9kg9FdFAvDqjymGiE2jUwJSqstRmjZpfmhNHMkmIKG > fG6ZOIiAvkZMpqJn4D0GCRpijfgGaJuMUgPYyl_C0-K-NtwR5KbO- > N8z4adwawT6HykdeyvYnISd4Cu9p9jWhRKNSTQT25asdIhy205GoNcQabEg8 > lx04K9Db2vuNCB91OTLRWmkrY8Gvqr9sKYYpSsZnbvYkNfHj1Ae6kvKbEmjy > fdFGiyaF4zBdS_RT7Q2FC_HUBRDCnCnZ7zL-zWqFJFJLlhrjV- > lznxO0QO35QLDzewLgbPRAWnyc9c6cjha0fQSWkwOlQqt-B_ > xqfrKyP2v5VFaDncDLID5v49IBZzbP-chGTGQ9wkzU/https%3A%2F% > 2Fwww-03.ibm.com%2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory2000s.html > > 2010's VSE History: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Exaa9ZQSTz7_ > WUzVgXvYovWsRd92i3gPMDwkcdr4IR4zKNZw8V5o5tQu1ZQrDQPf_ > cwB4nWBr-cCdZoQavq7_mmF5ll3-gHT8M7mZiJhzd-q5CNZIJgl1cyXJomO2RNjqTXKyIRsQ > XYap2gbw5a5ml0Box3VuUH1-TAzNSYOdHC8LzPwjx9j8c-gsqnncH6C3pQ3_ > 4Q2zKDtrMjhzrtKsrw7kuLKHdDQ_FOUjXhM6fOZKPw5m8VQUT4Cq_5B- > SAzxTyJP78bH4g4qiX1m0ViqOLzSMXtr4EYCBoOf93Y5y- > YKUOmymTSOSv7MUUMiQajJAxZCJrifaQ6lGXNLGwH1MVguCKJX45unHgqFZa > IoZNu3iohQCsZZc7RwdQtREdXZwF7qL-0FRqGxTGWHSHiw0XD65wCLSMX1YM8t > aU7nnWVp_nE7dVqiSAtaeROMH6R/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-03.ibm.com% > 2Fsystems%2Fz%2Fos%2Fzvse%2Fabout%2Fhistory2010s.html > > Each of the IBM pages has a link to the next decade's history page, so you > can start with the 1980's page and proceed to the others in sequence. > > I didn't read all the IBM pages closely, but I didn't see VSE/AF jump > out. Was that actually a version? > > ECPS:VSE was a hardware feature on the 43xx machines (I know for sure it > was on the 4361, not sure about other models). IIRC it provided microcode > assists for VSE under VM. > > HTH > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:33 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > Of course I remember the 3310, although I never used one. But your post > reminds me of a question. > > Does anybody have a VSE timeline from the original DOS/VSE and ECPS:VSE > that includes all of the packages, e.g., VSE/AF? There's a wike article on > VSE and I'd like to flesh that out, or, better, put someone up to doing so. > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf > of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > The 3090 processor controllers ran VM/370 on 3370 (FBA) disks. I was able > to actually see one of these at a large NYC shop in the 1990's while > touring it with a friend who was the VP of Operations there. The 3270 > screen inside the 3090 box had the VM/370 screen logo. > > That made my day. I was a VM/VSE guy at the time and really resented the > way that MVS shops looked down on us, as if we were deprived, backwards > children. > > And you are right, the 3375's were 3370 boxes that emulated CKD on > physical FBA geometry. > > Anyone remember 3310's? Smaller FBA brothers of the 3370 DASD, sold with > 4331 low-end CPU's for VM/VSE usage. There was a special VSE version > created in the mid 1980's (SSX/VSE) with simplified and largely menu-driven > system generation and maintenance intended for sale with those low-end 4331 > systems. The ISV I worked at then got to play with SSX/VSE to set up our > product for menu-driven installation on one of those systems. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Dana Mitchell > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: VSAM usage for ancient disk models > > Current (for us 2.1) z/OS HCD still shows 3375 as a valid DASD device > type. IIRC 3375 was emulated CKD on FBA 3370 HDA's. 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