My recollection is that DFSMS came in as a program product for MVX/XA, replacing DFP and several other packages.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Richards, Robert B. <robert.richa...@opm.gov> Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl PMFJI Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply somewhat in error. I might as well. :-) If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their own branding. As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to DISABLED. Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product. As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release. I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP! :-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in IFAPRDxx. I said, we're not paying for it. But we are until we can convert application level backups to use FDRAPPL. But, if what you say is true, then maybe applications can continue to use DSS. I'm not the person who keeps up with the contracts and licensing. PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') NAME('z/OS') ID(5650-ZOS) VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS) STATE(ENABLED) PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') NAME('z/OS') ID(5650-ZOS) VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM) STATE(DISABLED) PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') NAME('z/OS') ID(5650-ZOS) VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM) STATE(ENABLED) -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl [External Email] HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the base or base + features. Carmen Vitullo ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl [External Email] It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU separately or get charged for these services. I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but so is FDR if you're use to it. Carmen Vitullo ----- Original Message ----- From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced product? > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Clark Morris > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl > > [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main > retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote: > > >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it? > > Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and > doesn't have the DSS/HSM products. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN FIRST TENNESSEE Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. 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