I have to agree. Let's leave the 360 restart facility in the 60/70's and move toward safe IPLs with CLPA.
ARM and DB2 and logger will continue to work with CLPA. Making sure that no one has left a "surprise" in LPA that will cause issues. CLPA user since 1995 Rob Schramm On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:55 PM Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> wrote: > Thanks for the info Mr. Shmuel ! another one of those options, tools I've > never used, off topic but reminds me of a y2k upgrade I was performing for > a state agency, the DOL user was getting errors on the DD statement, TLMS > was the tape managment system and once they showed me the JCL and the error > I told them "you can't do that!, you can't code DSN='Sears and Roebuck', > here to find out from CA, yeah you can if DISP=(,KEEP). > again, thank you > > > > > > Carmen Vitullo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Seymour J Metz" <sme...@gmu.edu> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:30:18 PM > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > ARM is a much newer facility, with a different purpose. Automatic step > restart goes all the way back to OS/360; see the RD=R parameters on JOB and > EXEC. > > Note that temp and VIO are only recovered for an automatic restart, not > for a manual restart. That applies to both checkpoint and step restarts, > but the restrictions on checkpoint restart, e.g., no multitasking, made it > of limited utility. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf > of Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:56 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > ah, pardon my ignorance, ARM? the coupling facility policy? > I've never tried to restart a job that created a temp or VIO data-sets > created in a previous step, my assumption was...they were in the bit > bucket. > but it's been a while for me since I had to attempt a restart of a batch > job. > > > Carmen Vitullo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Seymour J Metz" <sme...@gmu.edu> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:51:33 PM > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > No, temp and VIO don't go away when the system crashes. If you have > automatic step restart and don't do a CVIO, then the restarted job gets the > previously allocated VIO data sets. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf > of Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > Guess it's been so long I had to worry about restarting a job I don't why > step restart would be affected, if DISP=(,PASS) for temp dataset or VIO, > well that goes away after the job is completed or failed, unless CLPA > affects RESTART=STEPx on the jobcard? > > > > Carmen Vitullo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Seymour J Metz" <sme...@gmu.edu> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:30:05 AM > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > Not just C/R, but also step restart. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf > of R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:21 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: 0,clpa > > Oh, those jobs using Checkpoint/Restart? > As far as I remember it precludes usage of Extended Format and other > "modern" (read: 25 years old and less) features. > No, during last 20 years I haven't seen any job using that, nor heard > about anyone using it. YMMV. > > BTW: It's amazing how much you love to be laconic and abstruse. > > > Regarding CLPA - I'm glad that routinely using CLPA I do not loose > anything useful (except a little bit longer IPL). > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 2018-08-29 o 17:57, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > The jobs specifying RD=R, obviously. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) 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