... and source for JES2. On 2019-01-07 22:39, scott Ford wrote: > Matt, > > Yep I remembered the days we had source for CICS modules and VM. > Scott > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:34 PM Matt Hogstrom <m...@hogstrom.org> wrote: > >> You are correct David, thanks. I was the proud recipient of a kidney >> stone Sunday night so my response is a bit delayed. >> >> It looks like most of the questions / comments were answered. If you want >> further information please let me know and I’ll provide the best info I can. >> >> I recall someone made the comment that “it’s open source so its good”. >> Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days was “open source” if you call fiche >> open source. A lot of products shipped source and patched (I recall the >> days of installing UCC-1, 7 and 11). Hopefully what we’ll see is a return >> to community code for the platform as a framework and collection of >> services through Zowe. At least that is my intent. Honestly, our biggest >> challenge now is how to make z/OS instances available to college students >> that are interested in getting involved. It’s. A good problem to have. >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> m...@hogstrom.org >> PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 >> Facebook >> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffacebook.com%2Fhogtopia&data=02%7C01%7C%7C500ae8fa6a1a44a00b1a08d6751aef08%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636825155898311420&sdata=5p7rOLZVZYrRmw0ohNAdLAQKaws9%2BeLavCnvCvpAFW8%3D&reserved=0> >> LinkedIn < >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinkedin.com%2Fin%2Fmhogstrom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C500ae8fa6a1a44a00b1a08d6751aef08%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636825155898311420&sdata=jWKODMzi52pkyClFqD6vl4WRMMXeqMMuEMivGm1BcTA%3D&reserved=0> >> Twitter >> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fhogstrom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C500ae8fa6a1a44a00b1a08d6751aef08%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636825155898311420&sdata=BuMBngnKMOL9CYy7WpDLkZJnk4Y6D4SSEVyhgniOJ5w%3D&reserved=0> >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by >> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:20 AM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can't speak for Matt but... >>> >>> On 7/01/2019 2:06 pm, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the extended and detailed response. There are many of us >> out here who are still wondering what this project really is. >>>> First, a caution: Please, please define your acronyms the first time >> you use them. E.G., what is JWT? Most of us (well, this application >> programmer in particular) have no idea what that is. Java Work Tooling? I >> am left to guess. >>> JWT stands for JSON Web Token >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token&data=02%7C01%7C%7C500ae8fa6a1a44a00b1a08d6751aef08%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636825155898311420&sdata=YXeqDsrDuXB8Lj82riOYnQEFtQkv4%2BqdMfgpXW5zfrg%3D&reserved=0 >> which are used for >> authentication for web services. This is a huge upgrade on z/OSMF which >> uses a proprietary method based upon Websphere. >>> Everybody writing clients for REST APIs understands JWTs. >>> >>>> Another couple of examples: "HTML5 enabled desktop". Does that mean >> code that runs in a browser on my desktop? "WebSocket enabled APIs"? Same >> question. >>> HTLM5 is current standard for web browsers, so enough said. Web sockets >> are used to send data from a server to a client (usually a browser) over a >> stream. WebSockets server can send data, such as performance data, SMF etc >>> to multiple clients without being polled. Huge performance benefits. >>> >>>> I thought I grokked this one: "JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES >> much like a Finder or Explorer on Windows would work" until the next >> sentence: "web interface that doesn’t require 3270 to submit, etc.". >> Again, does that mean a separate program like Windows Explorer, or just a >> new browser interface? >>>> It would help greatly if there was a video demonstration of these >> capabilities. Did any of the Zowe presentations at SHARE include live >> online demonstrations of already-available capabilities, and if so are >> those video's available through SHARE or on the Zowe website? >>>> For the application programmer (not for the systems gurus who maintain >> the environment) what is the experience intended to be? I'm not from >> anywhere near Missouri, but I really need to be shown how what Zowe is >> touting could help me in my everyday work. >>>> If I understand it, perhaps I can make a case to my management. But >> first I have to understand it. >>>> Still somewhat confused . . . >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:16 PM >>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Zowe? >>>> >>>> Not to mention the difference between nappies and diapers. >>>> >>>> Zowe is an open source project created to host technologies that >> benefit the Z platform from all members of the Z community (ISV’s and >> consumers). The initial code base was seeded with technologies from CA >> Technologies, IBM and Rocket. Each of us had developed capabilities that >> we wanted to use to enhance the platform but proprietary products were not >> the way to create an eco-system; creating proprietary products was just >> BAU. We needed to see if such a community was viable and so each >> contributed a set of technology and we worked through the legal issues of >> moving what was new and some long-standing code to an EPL-2.0 license which >> allows anyone to consume and use the code. The choice of three was more >> about being able to manage the issues of community formation and not in any >> way to be exclusive. Three was a lot of work and we now have a good >> framework (legal, governance, hosting, etc.) to start with. >>>> A late addition by CA was the addition of the Mediation Layer which we >> are using to federate a number of platform services. We have an advanced >> use of JWT that allows for accessing multiple services only requiring a >> user to sign-on once. This is ahead of platform goals of using JWT in the >> Security Managers. Open source allows us to experiment and deliver >> capabilities faster than traditional development methods and delivery >> streams on Z. >>>> The initial contributions were the CLI and some VS Code extensions from >> CA, WebSocket enabled APIs from IBM and a HTML5 enabled desktop that >> allowed for hosting multiple Angular applications. Consider these >> contributions to be more of the framework for enabling access to Z on-top >> of which new applications can be built. The applications that are provided >> as of now and a few more candidates for 1.0 later this month are: >>>> CLI plugins (Console, TSO, file, JES interface, etc.) where developers >> that are not accustomed to Z can interact using their shell of choice (we >> expect most people to be some bash variant). This interface uses direct >> z/OSMF APIs for these services. >>>> JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much like a Finder or Explorer >> on Windows would work). Simple and familiar web interface that doesn’t >> require 3270 to submit, retrieve check status on jobs, etc. >>>> MVS and USS explorer. Provides access for retrieving / sending files >> to and from the z/OS system. Again, very Finder / Explorer like. A >> significant advantage here is the applications run in an HTML 5 framework >> and eliminate the maintenance of Java and other frameworks on desktops. >> There are a number of customers that are looking to eliminate Desktop >> dependencies around Java. >>>> Contextual Editor (allows for editing and updating with a context >> sensitive editor that is extensible with a language server). >>>> TN3270 Emulator - fully functional 3270 emulator that runs in the >> desktop. All models supported. No client install needed. >>>> Some applications that I’m working on are an IPL explorer that will >> interrogate the systems in a Plex and navigate the rats nest of Parmiib >> members. Doing this at night so going is a bit slow right now. >>>> Other products are using Zowe capabilities like the IBM Db2 Dev/Ops >> experience as well as the OMEGAMON for Storage. Other products are coming >> as well. >>>> The best way I have to describe Zowe is that its like Mac or Windows >> where they come with a set of APIs and OS capabilities that applications >> build on and include some applications out of the box like described above. >>>> The goal is to innovate faster, in the open under the oversight of a >> community that vets the code, verifies its source and tests what is >> delivered. >>>> Sorry for the long response to the WTF question but I think it was a >> fair question that deserved a response. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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