Can't you get ibm or 3rd party to sell you an hmc? Rob Schramm
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 3:23 PM ITschak Mugzach <imugz...@gmail.com wrote: > We will support them all ;-) but we need an HMC. Only the IBMI and rs6000 > HMC are virtualized. The z one is still a physical one. > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > > So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, > > 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... > > > > It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > > of R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> > > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> > > wrote: > > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC > in > > >> any form, real or emulated. > > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. 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